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1lilithcat
Jul. 25, 2018, 2:19pm

Continuing from prior thread: http://www.librarything.com/topic/171504

2AndreasJ
Bearbeitet: Jul. 30, 2018, 3:04am

Perhaps because of the non-ASCII initial, LT doesn't realize that Överklass and överklass are casing variants of the same word:

https://www.librarything.com/tag/%C3%96verklass

(It clearly means "upper class" wrt the books it's used on, but I'm not proposing any combinations with that because it can also mean "superclass" in the biological or programming senses.)

3Cynfelyn
Bearbeitet: Jul. 30, 2018, 3:35am

Can anybody think of other tags that start with an accented letter? (I can't.) If so, are the upper-case and lower-case versions linked? If they are not, it is presumably an LT-wide systematic glitch/algorithm oversight probably best dealt with by a bug report or a RSI.

4AndreasJ
Jul. 30, 2018, 3:45am

Looking around a bit, it seems to be a general phenomenon: e.g. Öl, Ångest, and Élite aren't combined with their lower-case versions either.

5MarthaJeanne
Bearbeitet: Jul. 30, 2018, 5:05am

Öl is combined. (http://www.librarything.com/tag/Öl) Øl wasn't.

6ianreads
Jul. 31, 2018, 7:00am

when I was young and its translation into Dutch. Arguably both "toen ik jong was" and "wanneer ik jong was" are a correct translation. However, only the former exists and the latter is the least elegant phrase.

7TAir
Bearbeitet: Aug. 3, 2018, 11:25am

Cynfelyn 3

I checked a few and at least Finnish tags älykkyys and Älykkyys (intelligence), äyriäiset and Äyriäiset (crustaceans) are not linked. There are lots of ä- and ö-words in e.g. Finnish and Swedish. See e.g. äiti (mother), ääni (sound/voice), äänilevy (record as in LP), öljy (oil)...

8WeeTurtle
Aug. 8, 2018, 11:04pm

Is there a general rule regarding casing when combining? Is it ignored when the word is the same?

9AndreasJ
Aug. 9, 2018, 12:08am

>8 WeeTurtle:

Normally, casing variants are combined automatically (and impossible to separate).

10Stevil2001
Bearbeitet: Aug. 24, 2018, 9:52pm

I'd like to advocate for a couple of my recent proposals:

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Imperial+Radch#combinations

"Imperial Radch" is the name of a series, so I don't see any reason it wouldn't be combined with "Series: Imperial Radch."

"Radch" is a made up space word that has no meaning except as a shortened form of "Imperial Radch" in that same series, so I don't see any reason it wouldn't be combined either.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Star+Trek%3A+New+Frontier

I know of absolutely no usage, on or off LibraryThing, for "Star Trek NF" that is not short for "Star Trek: New Frontier." "ST:NF" seems similarly specific to me.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/voyager+relaunch

Similarly, all uses of "voyager relaunch" refer to the "Star Trek: Voyager relaunch."

http://www.librarything.com/tag/ST%3A+TLE

All uses of "ST: TLE" refer to "Star Trek: The Lost Era" and it is a sufficiently specific abbreviation I cannot imagine it being used to mean anything else.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Captain+Kirk#combinations

I don't know how to present an argument for why "Captain Kirk" should be combined with "Captain Kirk (Star Trek)" because I cannot even guess what the objection is, given the "Captain Kirk" tag exclusively refers to the Star Trek character, and already has any number of name variants combined in.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/star+trek+original#combinations

Similar to many of the above (and many combinations I submitted at the same time that were approved), "star trek original" clearly refers to the original Star Trek series, and has no usage outside of that on LT.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Star+Trek+Log#combinations

"Star Trek Log" and "Star Trek Log Series" refer to the exact same set of books (and indeed, "Star Trek Logs" is already combined into "Star Trek Log Series.")

11prosfilaes
Aug. 24, 2018, 10:04pm

>10 Stevil2001: I don't know how to present an argument for why "Captain Kirk" should be combined with "Captain Kirk (Star Trek)" because I cannot even guess what the objection is, given the "Captain Kirk" tag exclusively refers to the Star Trek character, and already has any number of name variants combined in.

Most people don't look at all the name variants, which is frustrating. Captain Kirk, however, can refer to any number of people besides the fictional Star Trek character.

"Star Trek Log" and "Star Trek Log Series" refer to the exact same set of books

No, they don't; Star Trek Log includes Trek: THe Unauthorized A-Z, which according to reviews doesn't mention the books. It doesn't seem to natively refer to exclusively the book series.

12gilroy
Aug. 25, 2018, 8:31am

>12 gilroy: I know of absolutely no usage, on or off LibraryThing, for "Star Trek NF" that is not short for "Star Trek: New Frontier." "ST:NF" seems similarly specific to me.

Except the rule of thumb is to NOT combine acronyms with actual words if at all possible.

13lilithcat
Aug. 25, 2018, 8:46am

>11 prosfilaes:, >12 gilroy:

Considering that "NF" is a pretty standard abbreviation for "non-fiction", it could just as easily be combined with "Star Trek Non-Fiction": http://www.librarything.com/tag/Star+Trek+Non-Fiction

14gilroy
Aug. 25, 2018, 9:16am

>13 lilithcat: Yeah, that was my other thought, but I went to rule of thumb first.

15Stevil2001
Aug. 25, 2018, 12:22pm

>11 prosfilaes: Sure there could be, but are there really "any number" of Captain Kirks?

>12 gilroy: Is there really a rule of thumb that no acronyms should be combined? I get it when it comes to two-letter things like "sf" that could be "science fiction" or "San Francisco," or "ST" that could be "Star Trek" or I don't know what, but once you get down to a combination of five letters and a colon that is only used in one way on LT, I feel like not combining is doing more harm than good.

16gilroy
Aug. 25, 2018, 1:44pm

>15 Stevil2001: Directly from the Tag Combination Guidelines:

Rules of Thumb
Combining acronyms with non-acronyms should be avoided in general. For instance, combining "science fiction" with "SF" is not good, since other people use SF to mean "San Francisco" (or something else entirely).

17Stevil2001
Aug. 25, 2018, 2:36pm

>16 gilroy: Ha, fair enough.

18MarthaJeanne
Bearbeitet: Aug. 25, 2018, 3:19pm

The problem with acronyms is that each person 'knows' that of course this acronym stands for __x__ . But the next person 'knows' just as firmly that it stands for __y__. Until you go to Google and see all the other possibilities.

Similarly with misspellings. Once it has been labeled as a typo for one word it is hard to see the other words that it could also have come from.

19jjwilson61
Aug. 25, 2018, 4:16pm

Most of the time you go to google and see a ton of other uses, none of which would likely be used as a tag for a book.

20MarthaJeanne
Aug. 25, 2018, 7:27pm

NF = Nonfiction is a fairly standard book acronym and Star Trek Nonfiction is used as a tag.

DDR to someone like me is obviously Deutsche Demokratische Republik, but to others just as obviously Dance Dance Revolution. Both exist as tags.

21prosfilaes
Aug. 25, 2018, 9:09pm

22jjwilson61
Aug. 25, 2018, 10:25pm

>20 MarthaJeanne: Sure that can happen, but not all the time. It really has to be looked at on a case by case basis.

23Stevil2001
Aug. 26, 2018, 9:09am

>21 prosfilaes: If you can find me one of these books on LibraryThing tagged "Captain Kirk," then I'll be persuaded. The guidelines do specify that usage "on LibraryThing" coincides, not that all possible usage forever must coincide. Fewer than thirty usages from the ephemeral periodical press doesn't really persuade me that this is something we ought to be vigilant about.

24omargosh
Aug. 26, 2018, 3:13pm

re: Captain Kirk specifically, there are currently 4 works that are tagged as "Captain Kirk" but aren't also tagged "Star Trek". They are here, here, here, and here. When I was Googling for what those works relation to a different Captain Kirk work were, I was hitting dead ends. That's because those works are all actually tagged as James Kirk, and James Kirk (currently combined with Captain Kirk) is also the name of an actor on those works, amongst other people. So I've proposed a separation (voting here).

25omargosh
Aug. 26, 2018, 3:27pm

re: "Imperial Radch", I think that sometime what happens with some series is that some people want to combine (these are made up, but I've seen similar stuff w/ other series, and you get the drift): Imperial Radch with Series: Imperial Radch, another person at another time wants to combine it with Imperial Radch (fictional place), another person later wants to combine it with Space Opera Series: Imperial Radch, another person later with Imperial Radch (science fiction), another person later with Imperial Radch (Leckie) and another person later with Imperial Radch (starship). And even when they all refer to the same set of books, the word series ≠ fictional place ≠ space opera ≠ science fiction ≠ Leckie ≠ starship, so which should really be combined with which? (I guess if you're a lumper, you might want to combine those all regardless?)

26Stevil2001
Aug. 26, 2018, 5:39pm

>24 omargosh: This one convinces me.

>25 omargosh: And I can see this argument. (Though it seems largely hypothetical in this particular case.)

27lilithcat
Sept. 16, 2018, 10:58pm

As far as I can tell (via my Webster's Unabridged), "evertebrate" is a synonym for "invertebrate". I can see no reason not to combine them.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/invertebrates#combinations

28AndreasJ
Sept. 16, 2018, 11:44pm

"Evertebrates" is rare in English, but equivalent forms are the usual word for "invertebrates" in e.g. Swedish. Google suggests the English form is disproportionally used by Scandinavian authors, and both LT users of the tag seem to be from the Nordic countries, but I don't think that amounts to a difference in meaning or usage for the purposes of tag combination.

(Oddly, one book with the tag is about fish. Given that the other volumes in the same series the same user have used the tag on are about invertebrates, it is tempting to suspect a simple mistake. Or maybe it has a lot to say about what fish eat.)

29Edward
Sept. 22, 2018, 5:59am

I've proposed combining these three tags with Oxfordshire:As far as I can tell, "Oxfordshire" means unambiguously the county in England. (For example, it does not appear to be used as a name for any other place, or as a family name.)

30norabelle414
Okt. 17, 2018, 10:23am

The tag "Hapsburgs" contains the following variants: Hapsburgs, hapsburgs, Habsburg dynasty, Habsburgers, Habsburg Dynasty, habsburgers, The Habsburgs, HAPSBURGS, the Hapsburgs, the Habsburgs, the hapsburgs, habsburg dynasty, the habsburgs

The tag "Habsburg" contains the following variants: Habsburg, Habsburgs, Habsburger, Hapsburg, habsburg, habsburgs, hapsburg, HABSBURG, Habsbourg, Habsburgo, habsburger, HAPSBURG, habsbourg, habsburgo

Wikipedia says that "Habsburg" and "Hapsburg" are interchangeable.

Please vote either for combining these two tags OR for separating "Habsburgs" from "Habsburg". (Personally I prefer combining them). Please don't vote for both or this website will implode.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Habsburg#combinations

31SandraArdnas
Okt. 20, 2018, 4:07pm

I've proposed combining Very Short Introductions with Very Short Introduction series, but for some reason it is being killed. Both refer to the Oxford publisher series and if you open the tag pages for both it is clear because they all have characteristic covers. The few books with different covers are also a part of the series, they just have a different cover winning, but if you hover over the book you can see it's part of the VSI series.

Voting https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Very+Short+Introductions#combinations

32fred_mouse
Okt. 28, 2018, 3:34am

I would argue that the tag 'very short introductions' could be an accidental plural (eg. through tag completion) when the tagger is referring to the introduction of a book not in the series, and as such have voted no.

33SandraArdnas
Okt. 28, 2018, 7:37am

There's over 500 books in that series and that's what people tag with both tags. In fact, VSI could be combined with it too, but I knew that wouldn't pass so I didn't bother. Either way, this one was killed too because, even though the guidelines for tag combination state usage on LT is one of the guiding principles, many insist on theoretical possibilities for a tag to mean sth it is not used for in practice, nor is it likely to be. I don't get it, but it is what it is.

How likely do you honestly believe is you'll tag a book as having a short introduction, let alone making a plural accidentally? Even if you do, is that instance really relevant among thousands of tags used for a well-known publisher series? Don't get me wrong, I'm not picking on your choice in particular. After all, the proposal was killed by the majority of voters. Just trying to reassert what I understood to be the point of tag combinations, which to me often seems to be lost. Thanks for your answer anway

34Stevil2001
Okt. 28, 2018, 11:11am

The point of tag combination is to not combine any tags.

35AnnaClaire
Okt. 28, 2018, 12:53pm

>34 Stevil2001:

I hope you mean that as not combining tags willy-nilly. Because what you wrote also suggests that absolutely no tags should be combined under any circumstances at all, ever.

36AndreasJ
Okt. 28, 2018, 1:14pm

>35 AnnaClaire:

I believe he meant precisely the latter, but as a parody of the splittist position rather than a statement of his own.

37Stevil2001
Okt. 28, 2018, 2:32pm

>36 AndreasJ: Yes, just a bit of teasing from a (sometimes frustrated) lumper.

38gilroy
Okt. 28, 2018, 4:45pm

>34 Stevil2001: Do you need a mop for that lake of sarcasm? :D

39karenb
Okt. 28, 2018, 5:40pm

The best thing about sarcasam is there's often plenty to go around! It's not a pie.

40AndreasJ
Dez. 17, 2018, 3:59pm

Making a new attempt att getting "evertebrates" and "invertebrates":

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/invertebrates#combinations

The one book with the former tag that wasn't about invertebrates is no longer so tagged, so really can see no reason to keep them separate now.

41Nicole_VanK
Mrz. 7, 2019, 8:03am

The tag Theo van Gogh may refer to the filmmaker / television personality (1957-2004) or to the art dealer and brother of Vincent van Gogh (1857-1891)

I've proposed separating out the one that mentions the dates of the first.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Theo+van+Gogh

42Cynfelyn
Bearbeitet: Mrz. 16, 2019, 7:32pm

Cysgod y cryman, by Islwyn Ffowc Elis
https://www.librarything.com/work/600074/covers/114065980

Please vote yes to the cover with the faces, which I've "Flagged as inapplicable"

"Talfyriad gan Basil Davies ar gyfer oedolion sy'n dysgu Cymraeg" = Abridgement by Basil Davies for adults learning Welsh.

43lilithcat
Bearbeitet: Mrz. 16, 2019, 8:39pm

>42 Cynfelyn:

Done.

But, for future reference, cover flag discussions are over in this group: http://www.librarything.com/groups/flaggers

44Marissa_Doyle
Mrz. 25, 2019, 10:49pm

Please vote yes to separate Anne Lindbergh from Anne Morrow Lindbergh-- Anne Lindbergh was Anne Morrow Lindbergh's daughter and published multiple children's books.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Anne+Morrow+Lindbergh#combinations

45jjwilson61
Mrz. 26, 2019, 8:41am

>44 Marissa_Doyle: Yet none of the books tagged Anne Lindbergh seem to be by or about the daughter.

46Edward
Mrz. 31, 2019, 6:35am

Francois Ier is a French abbreviation for "Francois the First", so the same as Francois I. (Combination proposal)

47Nicole_VanK
Mrz. 31, 2019, 6:54am

Okay, theoretically "Ier" could also mean Irishman in Dutch. But come on :)

48SandraArdnas
Mai 4, 2019, 5:51pm

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/democracy#combinations

demokratia is a translation of democracy and most of the titles on its tag page make it clear that is indeed the main topic of the works tagged

49MarthaJeanne
Bearbeitet: Mai 4, 2019, 6:03pm

>48 SandraArdnas: Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demokratia. I'm voting No.

Often a quick google will point out issues you hadn't thought/known about.

Also, Democracy has over 1000 works. Any works under demokratia with only 1 use would not show up on the combined page unless they are there already. Only three works have 2 uses, and none more than that. This makes the many books in Finnish harder to find.

50SandraArdnas
Mai 4, 2019, 6:40pm

>49 MarthaJeanne: Given that the major English dictionaries do not recognized the alleged use of demokratia to mean direct democracy or anything else for that matter, I choose to trust them over a wiki entry.

As for Finnish works being harder to find, that can only be an argument against combining translations in general. It is not specific to this case in any way. Besides, clicking on a tag alias opens the list of works tagged with just that alias.

The main reason I proposed the combination is that it contains a number of books in English with democracy as the main theme

51karenb
Jul. 10, 2019, 7:37pm

I've proposed combining tags of work titles with tags that give both the title and author. I know that current voters tend to reject these proposals, but I think that my recent proposals are worth reconsidering a few exceptions. I've only done this for titles that I think are distinctive, usually when the tags apply to works that seem very likely include that piece.

For example, the tags for "Love Is a Deep and a Dark and a Lonely" by Carl Sandburg, are applied only to the work Honey and salt, by Carl Sandburg.

(I'm suggesting only these as exceptions, not to change current convention.)

52MarthaJeanne
Bearbeitet: Jul. 11, 2019, 12:33am

ESP as a tag is not only used for Extrasensory perception.

English for Specific Purposes
http://www.librarything.com/work/15495751
http://www.librarything.com/work/6163043
http://www.librarything.com/work/14341008
(and several more)

I've suggested separations http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/ESP#combinations

53karenb
Jul. 11, 2019, 12:57pm

>52 MarthaJeanne: Thanks for the info & also separating.

"Love Letters from the Licensed Quarters" is an English translation for the kabuki play "Kuruwa Bunsho".
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Kuruwa+Bunsho#combinations

54karenb
Jul. 26, 2019, 1:45pm

The Chicago Black Sox is another name for the Chicago White Sox (baseball) team of 1919, when eight of the players deliberately threw (lost) the World Series.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Chicago+Black+Sox#combinations

55lilithcat
Jul. 26, 2019, 4:34pm

>54 karenb:

Say it ain't so, Joe!

56vpfluke
Aug. 8, 2019, 4:36pm

Isak Dinesen should be combined with Blixen--Karen { http://www.librarything.com/tag/Blixen--Karen }. Isak Dinesen is the pen name of Karen Blixen (there are variants). 'Karen Blixen' (per se) is already combined with Isak Dinesen.

57SandraArdnas
Bearbeitet: Aug. 8, 2019, 5:56pm

Should in such cases a canonical tag be set, which would include both? Seems like a good way to go about it to me

Edit: Apparently, canonical form of a tag can be set only from among existing tags, so 'Karen Blixen aka Isak Dinesen' is not an option until someone creates such a tag :(

58karenb
Aug. 8, 2019, 6:15pm

Jan Amos Comenius is spelled in various ways in different languages. From Wikipedia: John Amos Comenius (Czech: Jan Amos Komenský; German: Johann Amos Comenius; Latinized: Ioannes Amos Comenius).

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Jan+Amos+Comenius#combinations

59lilithcat
Aug. 8, 2019, 6:17pm

>58 karenb:

Thanks, karenb. I tend to vote "undecided" on those sorts of proposals, so additional information is always welcome.

60karenb
Aug. 8, 2019, 6:55pm

>58 karenb: I've been trying to put links to relevant info in the Warnings and disambiguations field on the main tag's combos page, too, but that's a recent habit for me.

61lilithcat
Aug. 8, 2019, 6:59pm

>60 karenb:

I, too, but for the most part, I just go to the main tag combination page: http://www.librarything.com/tags_combinations.php and vote there. I expect most people do that, and not everyone may realize that there's a possible explanation on the other page.

62SandraArdnas
Aug. 8, 2019, 8:39pm

>61 lilithcat: Yes, I practically always vote from the tag combination page. I wish it would show disambiguation field below the pair if there's something in it.

63karenb
Aug. 9, 2019, 7:24pm

>61 lilithcat:
>62 SandraArdnas:

That's where I vote from, too. i end up right-clicking on tags a lot, to learn more about the proposals: works the tag's applied to, other aliases, translations, and disambiguation notices.

64karenb
Aug. 10, 2019, 1:53am

Kay Scarpetta is a fictional forensic pathologist in a populs series of mystery/thrillers by Patricia Cornwell. The related tags have already been combined a LOT. The proposals only build on the existing combinations.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Kay+Scarpetta#combinations
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Kay+Scarpetta+Mystery#combinations

etc.

65karenb
Aug. 12, 2019, 4:54am

>64 karenb:

In the Kay Scarpetta series, there are currently 24 book-length works, plus additional bits here and there. The first work alone has over 5,900 copies in LT.

Each volume of the series is numbered, with tags in two lumpy categories: "Scarpetta #" or "Kay Scarpetta #". Previously, all numbered tags were combined under one or the other -- whether the tags included "series", "mystery", or any other words. In other words, the tags have already been lumped.

If you think that the tags should NOT be lumped, you are welcome to propose seperating out the millions* of tags that were lumped previously together (and then propose combining the dozen or so sets of tags per volume).

*Actually dozens -- per work.

66karenb
Aug. 12, 2019, 5:00am

Han Fei, Han Feizi, and Han Fei Tzu all refer to the same ancient Chinese philosopher. All of these tags refer to the same person. (Wikipedia)
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Han+Fei#combinations

Henry Harley "Hap" Arnold (June 25, 1886 – January 15, 1950) was an American General who served during World War II. All of these tags refer to the same person. (Wikipedia)
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Henry+Harley+%28Hap%29+Arnold+%281886-19...

67SandraArdnas
Aug. 12, 2019, 9:15am

>65 karenb: Tags that aim to indicate an exact volume in the series, like in these cases, are IMO no-brainers since there should be only a single work that is tagged with it. So when I'm unsure, I open both tag pages and if they both point to that single work, these belong together. People use all sorts of notation to indicate 'this is the first (or 5th or 25th) volume in the series', but the bottom line is they point to the same single volume.

68SandraArdnas
Aug. 16, 2019, 5:59pm

Two separations in cases where all the other tags refer to the 7th and 30th volume in a series, respectively, but the one proposed is the odd-man-out.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Aurora+Teagarden+%287%29#combinations
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Discworld+30#combinations

69karenb
Aug. 19, 2019, 1:51am

The character Rayford 'Raymie' Steele Jr. is from the Left Behind book series. The tag "Rayford Steele" includes all kinds of aliases for that character. My combination proposals are mixed, but I'm only continuing on with previous combinations. (I hope that makes sense.)

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Rayford+Steele#combinations

70karenb
Aug. 19, 2019, 8:46pm

"Apple II", "Apple ii", "Apple ", and "Apple //" all refer to the Apple II computer (Wikipedia) (1977-1993).

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/apple+%5D%5B#combinations

71Edward
Aug. 20, 2019, 2:20am

Although "plant" has various meanings, I can't find any evidence that "coal-fired plants" can mean anything other than "coal-fired power plants". (Proposal page)

72MarthaJeanne
Aug. 20, 2019, 3:52am

Coal can fire factories that are not for producing power.

73SandraArdnas
Aug. 20, 2019, 8:15am

Coal can fire literal plants too, but do people use the tag for that. I see no indication these are different in usage and being relatively complex tags, there will not be a flurry of new exact ones referring to something that shouldn't be combined

74karenb
Aug. 22, 2019, 3:30am

Yakovlev is a Soviet/Russian aircraft maker. It named a bunch of aircraft "Yak-(number)", for example Yak-3.

I just proposed combining the relevant tags under the full name: "Yavkovlev Yak-(number)".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Yakovlev_aircraft

75lilithcat
Aug. 22, 2019, 8:27am

>74 karenb:

Would you please link to the combination page? Thanks.

76karenb
Aug. 22, 2019, 11:13am

>75 lilithcat: Right. Sorry! There are a couple dozen proposals, but here's an example:

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Yakovlev+Yak-38

77karenb
Aug. 24, 2019, 4:37am

I have been working on a lot of tags related to the artist Vincent van Gogh. Please note that I am following precedent in combining assorted tags into a few, high level topics for this popular topic/person. These are unusual combinations for tags on a larger scale, not ordinary tag combinations. For example, the tag "Vincent van Gogh" already has 89 aliases and is used 779 times on 560 works.

The three biggest umbrella tags (so far):

Vincent van Gogh (with or without dates): https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Vincent+van+Gogh#combinations
VvG-the-artist: https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Artist+Van+Gogh#combinations
The Rijksmuseum van Gogh in Amsterdam: https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Van+Gogh+Museum#combinations

78lilithcat
Aug. 24, 2019, 9:17am

>77 karenb:

RE: The Rijksmuseum van Gogh in Amsterdam

I wouldn't combine that one with "Van Gogh Museum" as the Rijksmuseum and the Van Gogh Museum are two separate places.

79SimoneA
Aug. 24, 2019, 9:52am

>77 karenb: and >78 lilithcat: I've proposed the relevant separations now.

80karenb
Bearbeitet: Aug. 24, 2019, 2:01pm

>78 lilithcat:
>79 SimoneA:

Yes, they are two different institutions. Some of the tags and works were in Dutch. According to Wikipedia, the Van Gogh Museum is a national museum (lowercase "r" rijksmuseum).

I'm hoping that someone from the Netherlands will clarify this for us.

81SandraArdnas
Aug. 24, 2019, 5:46pm

Not from the Netherlands, but I've seen many times the Van Gogh Museum referred to with the rijksmuseum prefix. It's not in the official name that I've ever seen, but if you search for his paintings, when citing the location it often says Rijksmuseum Vincent Van Gogh. Rather confusing.

82Nicole_VanK
Bearbeitet: Aug. 25, 2019, 6:01am

>78 lilithcat: The Van Gogh Museum is a Rijksmuseum though. There are several. It simply means national museum.

Edit: I even had to split the author page Rijksmuseum By the look of it I may need to revisit that when I have some time.

83lilithcat
Aug. 25, 2019, 9:30am

>82 Nicole_VanK:

Thank you, Nicole! I will change my vote.

It is so helpful to have forums to answer these questions.

84Nicole_VanK
Bearbeitet: Aug. 25, 2019, 10:54am

Agreed. Glad I could help.

86SandraArdnas
Aug. 27, 2019, 8:23pm

I've been working on some art/artists tags. There's a German group Der Blaue Reiter, comprising Kandinsky, Klee, Marc, etc, which in English is referred to as Blue Rider group. All of the proposed combination contain only works on these artists and if you put Blue Rider into google, the very first link is a wiki page about them.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Blue+Rider#combinations

87karenb
Aug. 29, 2019, 3:53am

There is some confusion about genre awards named after John W. Campbell, Jr. There are two different awards.

--The John W Campbell Award for Best New Writer is selected along with the Hugo Awards; it was recently renamed the Astounding Award. It is awarded to a person by the members of the year's worldcon.

--The John W Campbell Memorial Award is awarded to a novel selected by a jury.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/John+W.+Campbell+Award+Nominee#combinati...

(Note that the tags aren't always applied correctly, but that's not a problem that combining/separating can solve.)

88gilroy
Aug. 29, 2019, 5:40am

>87 karenb:
Right. So you're saying vote against those combinations because it's two different awards.

89lilithcat
Bearbeitet: Aug. 29, 2019, 8:28am

>88 gilroy:

No, she''s saying to vote in favor of separating the two, which are currently combined.

90karenb
Bearbeitet: Aug. 29, 2019, 1:07pm

>88 gilroy: >89 lilithcat:

Yes, please vote Yes on the separations.

I also proposed some other combinations that should be okay.

91gilroy
Aug. 29, 2019, 6:46pm

>89 lilithcat: >90 karenb:
See, completely missed that it was a separation. Really have to stop reading before tea.

92karenb
Sept. 3, 2019, 2:34am

All the proposed combinations are the same person, per Britannica (and Wikipedia). The names vary with the language and geographic reference.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Dio+Chrysostom#combinations

(And yes, this info is also in the warnings/disambiguations of the combinations page.)

96karenb
Bearbeitet: Sept. 8, 2019, 1:55pm

With the help of JanWillemNoldus and Nicole_VanK, these names all refer to the same historic person (18th century Dutchman).

Capellen tot den Pol (Joan Derk van der)
Capellen (Johan Derk van der)
Joan Derk van der Capellen
Joan Derk van der Capellen tot den Pol

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Joan+Derk+van+der+Capellen#combinations

97karenb
Sept. 8, 2019, 2:22pm

"Aubrey-Maturin Novels" has been the umbrella tag for books belonging to the Patrick O'Brian series of books featuring Jack Aubrey and Stephen Maturin (first book: Master and Commander).

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Aubrey-Maturin+Novels#combinations

98karenb
Sept. 8, 2019, 2:45pm

For the Aubrey-Maturin books, "Captain Jack Aubrey" has been the umbrella tag for the character Jack Aubrey, a captain of the Royal Navy. (I found no other Jack Aubreys.)

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Captain+Jack+Aubrey#combinations

For the character Dr. Stephen Maturin, the most common tag is "Stephen Maturin".

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Stephen+Maturin#combinations

99karenb
Sept. 9, 2019, 12:03am

Art by Michael Whelan has graced the covers of dozens of science fiction and fantasy books. If it's tagged with "Whelan" and "cover", it means that the cover artist is Michael Whelan. (There are other cover artists, but none have the surname Whelan.)

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Michael+Whelan+cover#combinations

(For reference, see Michael Whelan's entry on isfdb.org http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1804)

100Cynfelyn
Sept. 9, 2019, 9:00am

>99 karenb:: All of them are going through, besides Whelan coverart and Cover Whelan.

As a compromise, they could usefully be combined: https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Whelan+coverart#combinations

101SandraArdnas
Sept. 9, 2019, 9:40am

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Brazilian+literature#combinations

Various forms of Brazilan literature tag, which used to be combined, but the entire tag page got tangled up in the 'culture' tag mess and once it was separated from it, they were all separated among themselves too. There must be more shorthand ones like braz.lit. and similar in Spanish and Portuguese, but this is what I found for the moment

102karenb
Sept. 12, 2019, 6:35am

>100 Cynfelyn:

Great idea! Thanks for proposing them.

103karenb
Sept. 18, 2019, 8:03pm

There are five men who were named Cornelius Vanderbilt. Many links refer to one of them, but "Cornelius" isn't enough to identify any particular one of them. (Proposals are mainly separations.)

For more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Vanderbilt_(disambiguation)

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Cornelius+Vanderbilt#combinations

104jjwilson61
Sept. 19, 2019, 11:25am

>103 karenb: But notice that the Wikipedia plain Cornelius Vanderbilt link goes to the page on The Commodore. I think that's a pretty good clue that that particular Vanderbilt is notable enough that when people use the name alone they almost always mean The Commodore.

105karenb
Sept. 20, 2019, 2:52am

>104 jjwilson61: Yes, one of the C. Vanderbilts is far more famous than the others, but the others still exist as historic people. Isn't that why LT folks tend to vote against combining name-only tags with name-plus-date tags?

Another case: When people talk about "Elvis" they usually mean Elvis Presley. However, there are other people named Elvis, so the "Elvis" tag remains separate from the "Elvis Presley" tag.

Mind you, when I'm fairly certain a name is unique*, I'm happy to lump the tags with names and dates (or other info) together. Wole Soyinka or Audrey Hepburn are two such people, I think.

*(And I've been wrong sometimes, too! Fortunately, other LT people caught my mistakes.)

106jjwilson61
Sept. 20, 2019, 12:44pm

LT folks will vote as they see fit. In this case I don't believe a separation is called for and I hope I can convince others to vote against it.

107karenb
Sept. 22, 2019, 6:16am

The Poor Clares is the common name for a Franciscan order of nuns, officially the Order of St. Claire. All these tags refer to that same group:
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Poor+Clares#combinations

Best known as Simone de Beauvoir (1908-1986) officially had a few more names:
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Simone+de+Beauvoir#combinations

109karenb
Bearbeitet: Okt. 3, 2019, 6:47pm

re: >108 karenb:, I didn't see the final tallies before the proposals got run. If you noticed that any of them were close to passing, please let me know -- or were they roundly voted down after I posted? Thanks.

Following previous patterns, tags for "Asperger's Syndrome" are already combined with "aspergers" (ETA: 147 aliases already):

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/aspergers#combinations

110karenb
Bearbeitet: Okt. 6, 2019, 5:25am

Haden's Syndrome is a fictional ailment found in John Scalzi's Lock In series.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Haden%27s+Syndrome#combinations

ETA: Chrono-displacement disorder is a fictional ailment found in The Time Traveler's Wife (book and movie).

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/chrono-displacement+disorder#combination...

111karenb
Okt. 8, 2019, 1:26am

In the Sandman comics by Neil Gaiman (and others, since), the Endless are a group of seven siblings: Destiny, Death, Dream (the Sandman), Destruction, Despair, Desire, and Delirium.

These proposed combinations are used only for these Sandman comics:

- Destiny
- Death
- Destruction
- Despair
- Desire
- Delirium

Tags "the endless" refer only to the Sandman comics. Tags with just the word "endless" may apply to those comics, but they're also used for other things.

- endless/The Endless

112karenb
Okt. 9, 2019, 2:17am

Both of these tags are used only for the manga series Gorgeous Carat Galaxy. (No, I didn't see any tags with the correct spelling for Galaxy.)

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Gorgeous+Carat#combinations

113Edward
Okt. 9, 2019, 7:50am

>112 karenb: The canonical titles suggest "Galaxy" is only in the title of volume 5, rather than the whole series. Is this incorrect?

114karenb
Okt. 9, 2019, 12:54pm

>113 Edward: Oh geez, you're right. Please vote against my boneheaded proposal!

115fdholt
Okt. 12, 2019, 7:52pm

Years back, the Library of Congress changed all headings from Afro-American to African American. Therefore
American literature--African American authors--History and criticism and American literature - Afro-American authors - history and criticism
mean exactly the same thing.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/American+literature--African+American+au...

116Edward
Okt. 13, 2019, 5:22am

I've proposed combining Bournemouth (Eng) with UK-Dorset-Bournemouth. The only Bournemouth in England is the town in Dorset. (Combination proposal)

117karenb
Bearbeitet: Okt. 16, 2019, 5:57am

When in all capital letters, FLOSS is an acronym for Free/Libre/Open Source Software. The proposal is to seperate FLOSS from floss/Floss, which often is a thread of some sort (such as embroidery floss and dental floss).

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/floss#combinations

118MarthaJeanne
Okt. 16, 2019, 6:01am

That doesn't work. Upper and lower case are automatically combined.

119karenb
Okt. 16, 2019, 8:02pm

>118 MarthaJeanne:
Rats! Thanks, I'd forgotten about that.

120karenb
Okt. 21, 2019, 7:18am

The Anisfield-Wolf Book Award has only winners (no nominees, finalists, or short list), which is why I proposed combining "award winner" with "award".

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Anisfield-Wolf+Book+Award#combinations

121Edward
Okt. 21, 2019, 3:40pm

I realise a lot of people dislike singular-plural combinations in general, but I'm unable to think of a plausible objection to combining the singular book read in 2019 with the plural Books Read 2019 or books-read-in-2019. In this case, I just don't see how anyone could use the singular and plural tags differently. (Combination proposals.)

122karenb
Okt. 22, 2019, 11:54pm

The Newbery is a book award given by the American Library Association (ALA) to children's books each year. The award winner receives the Medal, and additional books are called Honor Books. In the past, LTers often combined the winners under "Newbery Medal {year}" and "Newbery Honor {year}" tags.

Tags that use "Newbery" alone refer to things that aren't the awards. (For example, there is a Newbery library in central Chicago, Illinois.)

Newbery 2018
Newbery Medal book 2018
Newbery Honor books 2018

Newbery 2017
Newbery Honor books 2017

Newbery 2016
Newbery Medal book 2016
Newbery Honor books 2016

Newbery 2015
Newbery Medal book 2015
Newbery Honor books 2015

Newbery 2014
Newbery Medal book 2014
Newbery Honor books 2014

(not Newberry 2013) (The award has one R, not two)
Newbery Medal book 2013
Newbery Honor books 2013

Newbery Medal book 2012
Newbery Honor books 2012

Newbery Medal book 2011
Newbery Honor books 2011

Newbery Medal book 2010
Newbery Honor books 2010

123lilithcat
Bearbeitet: Okt. 23, 2019, 8:31am

>122 karenb:

there is a Newbery library in central Chicago

Actually, there isn't. There's a Newberry Library: https://newberry.org/

That said, watch out for misspellings.

*with an excellent book sale every July

RE: the Newbery (one "r") - Newbery Honor and Newbery Medal are different. "Honor" books are the runners-up. So "Medal" and "Honor" books should not be combined, nor should plain "Newbery{year}" tags be combined with either, as it could refer to either or both.

124karenb
Okt. 23, 2019, 11:10am

>123 lilithcat:

re: Newbery/Newberry, right. So far, I have seen only set of both spellings combined.

re: awards
Some years have only single tags for the award winners, the honor books, and/or unspecified "Newbery", which is why some years only have two sets of proposals. I stuck strictly within the corresponding category for each combination that I proposed.

125gilroy
Okt. 24, 2019, 1:42pm

>122 karenb: My difficulty is putting Newbery Medal with Newbery Winner. Technically, an Honor Book is still considered a win, as it's a recognition from the Newbery committee. I would NOT combine those.

126hailelib
Okt. 24, 2019, 2:47pm

127karenb
Okt. 25, 2019, 5:18am

>125 gilroy:

Yes, I see your point: the Honor Books have won something too. In this case, though, I respectfully suggest that the this goes against both the award and how the tags are applied.

The award's own website refers to the "2019 Medal Winner" and the "2019 Honor Books". The former wins, while the latter are honored.

The tag usage matches the awards, for the most part. Of all the proposed combinations, only one tag (
Newbery winner 2010) applied "winner" to both the medal book and an honor book. The other five tags that used "winner" without "medal" referred only to the medal book (in 2010, 2011, and 2014).

128karenb
Okt. 27, 2019, 1:28pm

Rachel Carson, author of Silent Spring, 1907-1964, middle name Louise (Wikipedia entry).

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Rachel+Carson#combinations
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Rachel+Louise+Carson+%281907%E2%80%93196...

(Note that the name-without-dates tag has already been combined with some name-with-dates tags.)

129karenb
Bearbeitet: Okt. 30, 2019, 12:07am

FYI, the Booker Prize for Fiction was also known as the Man Booker Prize from 2002-2019. (Too many proposed combinations to list.)

ETA: The award started as the Booker-McConnell Prize in 1969. For further info, see https://thebookerprizes.com/

132Lyndatrue
Nov. 3, 2019, 2:14pm

>131 karenb: I think for the second that you meant to say

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Hermann+Buhl#combinations

(Just adding this for others)

133karenb
Nov. 3, 2019, 2:43pm

>132 Lyndatrue: Yes! Thanks.

134karenb
Nov. 4, 2019, 3:10pm

The Battle of Little Bighorn took place in the US territory of Montana in 1876.

Previously, tags referring to the battle, Little Bighorn, Montana, and/or 1876 were combined under the tag "Battle of Little Bighorn". (If you disagree, there are seperations to propose.)

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Battle+of+Little+Bighorn#combinations

(For further information: Wikipedia)

135karenb
Nov. 6, 2019, 12:10pm

"Terry Bison" is a typo for "Terry Bisson". If you look at the two books tagged with the typo, you'll see that one author is Terry Bisson, and the other author is a collection to which Terry Bisson is a contributor.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Terry+Bison#combinations

136karenb
Nov. 15, 2019, 6:21pm

"Air Force One" can refer to a 1997 or to the official airplane of the US President.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Air+Force+One#combinations

137gilroy
Nov. 15, 2019, 7:44pm

>136 karenb: It could refer to a movie or novelization of said movie, as well as the aircraft.

138karenb
Nov. 15, 2019, 8:02pm

>137 gilroy: Yes, exactly.

I should also say that I proposed tag seperations, not combining.

139karenb
Nov. 18, 2019, 6:21pm

All of the single forms of "cemetery" were combined into the plural, "cemeteries"

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/%2Acemetary#combinations

(If you disagree, there are many separations to propose!)

140lilithcat
Nov. 18, 2019, 8:17pm

>139 karenb:

I have proposed separations.

The guideline is not to combine singular and plural, but I also feel there is a difference between a book about a particular cemetery and one about cemeteries in general.

141MarthaJeanne
Nov. 19, 2019, 3:04am

When there are combinations from before we had voting we can't always clear things up.

142karenb
Nov. 22, 2019, 4:21pm

"1900s" can refer to the decade or the century.

Separations proposed: https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/early+20th+century#combinations

145karenb
Nov. 24, 2019, 11:55am

'1700s' can mean a decade or a century. (Don't worry, that still leaves 278 tags under '18th century')

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/18th+century#combinations

147Kanarthi
Nov. 24, 2019, 3:09pm

I disagree. Most of the tag uses of dates of the form "1300s" appear to refer to the century, not the decade. I agree that probably the 2000s should not be combined, but extending this to all these centuries seems like it will cause more confusion than it will eliminate.

148Cynfelyn
Nov. 24, 2019, 6:15pm

>147 Kanarthi: Sorry, I disagree with you. The 1300s refers to 1300-1309, and comes before the 1310s and the 1320s just as much as the 2000s refers to 2000-2009, and comes before the 2010s and 2020s. The fact that some people use a tag carelessly is no reason for the rest of us to lose a useful distinction.

149norabelle414
Nov. 25, 2019, 1:33pm

A couple years ago I changed all my "1900s" etc. tags to "1900s (decade)" etc. and I felt the great weight of ambiguity lifted from my shoulders.

150jjwilson61
Nov. 25, 2019, 2:17pm

>148 Cynfelyn: I'm afraid I disagree with you. 1300s could either mean 1300-1309 or 1300-1399; it's ambiguous.

151karenb
Bearbeitet: Nov. 25, 2019, 4:44pm

>147 Kanarthi:
>148 Cynfelyn:
>149 norabelle414:
>150 jjwilson61:

I think that the '00s tags can be (and are) used by different people to mean the decade OR the century. That's why I think the '00s tags should be separate from the "century" tags: both usages already exist.

>149 norabelle414: Yes, some people use "decade" and "century" in their '00s tags, and I (heart) you all.

152karenb
Nov. 25, 2019, 5:02pm

Further info:
-- Many decades from the eleventh century seem to be typos for the twentieth century (e.g., 1040s and 1940s).
-- For the "1000s" tags, some tags are shorthand for "thousands" the quantity, not the years at all.

153karenb
Dez. 4, 2019, 11:54pm

154aspirit
Bearbeitet: Dez. 10, 2019, 11:49am

Please vote for the separations of "fantasy sci-fi", "fantasy scifi", "Fantasy SciFi", "Fantasy Sci-Fi", "fantasy SciFi" from "Science Fiction/Fantasy"; and "fantasy sf", "fantasy sf", "fantasy SF", and "Fantasy SF" from "sff". These tags can be combined together later. ETA: There are roughly a thousand uses of these fantasy science-fiction tags that are hiding within the not-entirely synonymous SF/F tags.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Science+Fiction%252FFantasy#combinations

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/sff#combinations

155aspirit
Dez. 10, 2019, 11:45am

A separate issue is that "Science Fiction/Fantasy" is being used as if it's "SF/F", yet the "sff" containing "SF/F" tag is currently separate. The last discussion I see about is from 2012, and what that discussion supports that the two larger tags should be combined.

Reference: "Tag Discussion -- sff"

Proposal: Science Fiction/Fantasy + sff

156karenb
Dez. 11, 2019, 2:42am

157MarthaJeanne
Bearbeitet: Dez. 11, 2019, 2:48am

You are saying that aren't any other people named Damon Knight?

https://www.sitkatech.com/company/team/damon-knight/

https://m.facebook.com/public/Damon-Knight

158karenb
Bearbeitet: Dez. 11, 2019, 4:38am

>157 MarthaJeanne:
No, merely that he's quite prominent with a slightly unusual name: 27 of the first 30 hits I get in Duckduckgo.

(ETA: For usage, all 86 tags tagged works currently refer to this same person.)

159Edward
Dez. 11, 2019, 3:31pm

Bath (England) and UK-Somerset-Bath should be combined, as the only place in England named Bath is the city in Somerset. Bath (England) is already combined with multiple "UK" tags. (Combination proposal)

160Edward
Bearbeitet: Dez. 20, 2019, 4:38pm

Diese Nachricht wurde vom Autor gelöscht.

161karenb
Dez. 21, 2019, 10:22pm

I'm hoping to separate out the tags that have spaces between the words. Later, I plan to combine these and other tags so that the main tag also has spaces between the words.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/MedievalEuropean+Civilization#combinatio...

162karenb
Dez. 27, 2019, 9:07pm

For fiction and listerature, location/country is not necessarily the same as the nationality/language:

-- Scottish/Scotland: https://www.librarything.com/tag/Scottish+Historical+Fiction

-- Irish/Ireland: https://www.librarything.com/tag/Irish+literature

-- English/England lit: https://www.librarything.com/tag/English+literature

See also the the conversation starting here in the "Should these tags be combined?" topic.

163Edward
Dez. 29, 2019, 4:31am

>161 karenb: If the problem is just that a difficult-to-read form has become the "main" form of the tag, it should be possible to solve that by choosing a different canonical form on the Common knowledge page. I've set this to "Medieval European civilization".

The spaced and unspaced forms of the tag should be kept combined unless there's a difference in meaning or usage.

164karenb
Dez. 29, 2019, 4:43pm

>163 Edward:

Thanks! I'd forgotten that you could set a canonical tag. An easy solution, yay.

165SandraArdnas
Bearbeitet: Jan. 9, 2020, 12:17am

Mary Tudor is Mary I, queen of England and Ireland from 1553 to 1558, also known as Bloody Mary for burning Protestants at the stake in an attempt to reverse the English Reformation, begun during the reign of her father, Henry VIII. She was also briefly Queen consort of France, all one and the same.

Most variations of her name and title are already combined under Mary I, I just added new stragglers. The other Mary not to be confused is Queen of Scots, aka Mary Stuart

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Mary+Tudor#combinations
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Mary+I#combinations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_I_of_England

166lilithcat
Jan. 8, 2020, 11:26pm

>165 SandraArdnas:

The Mary, Queen of Scots, who was beheaded at Fotheringay was Mary I. "Mary II" was the daughter of James II and the wife of William of Orange.

"Mary I" should not be combined with either Mary Tudor or Mary, Queen of Scots, as it could refer to either.

167SandraArdnas
Jan. 9, 2020, 12:17am

>166 lilithcat:
Sorry, that should have been just Mary Stuart, Mary II Stuart being the crowned Queen of England, Scotland, and Ireland later on.

There are no Mary I aliases within Mary Queen of Scots, just Mary Stuart. Only Mary I needs untangling then, as well as combining then all of Mary Tudor/Mary I of England/Bloody Mary variations. It's late, if no one is up to it, I'll do it tomorrow, but I still think the easiest way to do it is to vote yes on these and then just separate those few Mary I. There are far more more specific aliases

168MarthaJeanne
Bearbeitet: Jan. 9, 2020, 3:58am

There are also several other Mary Tudors

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Tudor

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_I_(disambiguation)

So one Mary Tudor (but not all) was one Mary I (but not all)

169Edward
Jan. 9, 2020, 5:41pm

Why is the proposal to combine read jul 2019 with Read July 2019 (and similar proposals for other years) getting so many No votes? I'm aware that "jul" can mean "Christmas" in some Scandinavian languages, but isn't the word "read" enough to show that the tag is in English?

170gilroy
Jan. 10, 2020, 5:46am

>169 Edward: No, it's not. Because there is a tradition some places of opening a book gift on Christmas Eve then reading it all day on Christmas.

171r.orrison
Bearbeitet: Jan. 10, 2020, 5:59am

>170 gilroy: The point is that whatever language uses "jul" for "Christmas" probably doesn't use "read" for "read". If an English speaker followed that tradition they'd tag "read Christmas 2019", whereas a Dane might use the tag "læse jul 2019" or a Norwegian would tag "lese jul 2019", but none of them is likely to mix languages and use "read jul 2019" to mean "read Christmas 2019".

Since the tag starts with "read" it's probably English, in which case "jul" is probably short for July.

That said, the tags "read Christmas 2019", "læse jul 2019", and "lese jul 2019" don't actually exist, so either Google translate is leading me astray, or the assumptions are wrong.

Personally, I'm abstaining from the vote.

(I love the idea of that tradition, though!)

172MarthaJeanne
Jan. 10, 2020, 6:00am

You are assuming that everyone is monolingual and/or never mixes their languages.

173r.orrison
Jan. 10, 2020, 6:20am

>172 MarthaJeanne: I did say "or the assumptions are wrong".

174AndreasJ
Jan. 10, 2020, 8:26am

>171 r.orrison:

If you want to be paranoid, "read jul 2019" could be Swedish for "sold at a discount Christmas 2019".

175SandraArdnas
Jan. 10, 2020, 8:46am

I find all of the fine points pretty much irrelevant when it comes to these sort of personal tags, since they are genuinely only relevant to the person making them. Is it of any consequence whatsoever to anyone else when I read a certain book, what box I stored it in or whether and who gifted it to me? If not, combining or not combining some is not in the same ballpark with tags referring to content or bibliographic data, where that genuinely impacts usability of tag features for the entire community.

176aspirit
Jan. 10, 2020, 11:15am

>175 SandraArdnas: I agree. The vote would make sense if the members who use the tags asked to combine them. We wouldn't be guessing what their personal notes mean.

177Edward
Bearbeitet: Jan. 11, 2020, 5:20pm

The following three tags are currently combined:

1) county Hampshire is used on LT only for the county in England.
2) County of Hampshire is used on LT only for the county in England.
3) Hampshire County seems to be used on LT only for counties in Massachusetts and Virginia. It is not used on LT for the county in England.

Outside LT, my impression is that "XYZ County" is a standard word order in the names of US counties, but not for English counties. So, I think tag 3, Hampshire County, should be separated from the current combined tag.

(Separation proposal)

178vpfluke
Jan. 11, 2020, 5:53pm

>172 MarthaJeanne: Is code switching the same for the spoken language and the written language?

179MarthaJeanne
Jan. 11, 2020, 6:53pm

>178 vpfluke: As far as I can see, code switching depends a lot on both how formal the situation is and who is being addressed, rather than oral/written. In a formal situation with listeners who don't understand the second language, it only happens if the speaker doesn't have a good word in the language being spoken for what needs to be expressed. It not only hardly ever happens, but it isn't even usually tempting. It just doesn't come up.

On the other hand, in informal writing to someone with both languages, it can go back and forth a lot, depending on what is being talked about. Grammar usually doesn't switch as often as vocabulary.

180SandraArdnas
Jan. 15, 2020, 6:51pm

Rincewind series is a subseries of Discworld series, so series/subseries/arc refer to the same (IIRC) 8 Discworld books

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Rincewind+subseries#combinations

182SandraArdnas
Jan. 17, 2020, 4:30pm

I doubt these will pass, though at least where mediation makes no sense whatsoever should.

183Cynfelyn
Jan. 17, 2020, 4:38pm

>181 karenb: Sorry, but I don't buy it. It's one thing to combine a tag with a meaningless mis-spelling, but it's another thing altogether to combine a tag with another word with its own and very different meaning.

184MarthaJeanne
Jan. 17, 2020, 4:46pm

>183 Cynfelyn: Hear! Hear!

185SandraArdnas
Jan. 17, 2020, 5:18pm

Prayers and mediations would be one of those that is obviously a misspeling

186lilithcat
Jan. 17, 2020, 5:36pm

>185 SandraArdnas:

Not necessarily.

See, for instance:

http://mediationblog.kluwerarbitration.com/2014/07/14/a-mediators-prayer/
https://www.mensajerosdivinos.org/en/ejercicio-espiritual/prayer-mediation
http://www.aletheiacollege.net/pr/6The_Mediation_Of_Prayer.htm

Prayer is used by some as a method to ask Mary or a saint to mediate between them and God.

So "prayers and mediations" is not "obviously a misspelling", though, of course, it could be.

187SandraArdnas
Jan. 17, 2020, 5:52pm

I leave it to anyone to decide on each case, just wanted to point out context is everything, so no need to discard all of them. Most of them don't make sense as mediation. Most are religions with meditation as central practice

188karenb
Jan. 17, 2020, 11:40pm

>183 Cynfelyn:
"... it's another thing altogether to combine a tag with another word with its own and very different meaning." Yes! I agree.

I also think that these particular tags bear further examination. Click on the tags and see that "meditation" appears frequently on each page, both in other tags and in the titles of the works. Usage matters, yes?

There are still plenty of tags that use "mediation" that are spelled for the correct word. I looked at all the ones I could find; it took me some time to investigate them all.

189karenb
Jan. 19, 2020, 3:18am

"Cape Verde" refers to the group of these islands: Santo Antão, São Vicente, Santa Luzia, São Nicolau, Sal, Boa Vista, Maio, Santiago, Fogo, and Brava.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Cape+Verde+Island#combinations

190karenb
Jan. 19, 2020, 3:23am

Oh, and the official name of Cape Verde is now Cabo Verde (the Portuguese spelling).

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Fiction+-+Cabo+Verde#combinations

191aspirit
Jan. 25, 2020, 6:51pm

I'm currently the only user of "romance > heterosexual". My tag starts with "r" so I remember where to look for it. Otherwise, the tag is the same as "heterosexual romance".

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/heterosexual+romance#combinations

192Edward
Feb. 19, 2020, 4:03pm

In the UK, the "West Country" is a region of England (LC, OUP, Wikipedia). There is no difference between "West Country (England)" and "West Country (UK)". (Combination proposals)

193norabelle414
Mrz. 9, 2020, 1:07pm

I don't know German or any nuance about this historical period, but the tags Weimar Republic and Weimarer Republik each contain variations that should obviously be combined (e.g. "weimar germany" and "germany weimar") so if the vote to combine them doesn't go through there needs to be a lot of separation and recombination.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Weimar+Republic#combinations

194Nicole_VanK
Bearbeitet: Mrz. 10, 2020, 3:24am

>193 norabelle414: I must admit that I'm not happy about some of those earlier combinations. Weimar is a town in Germany, so "Weimar (Germany)" and such could easily refer to other things than the Weimar Republic. But I think we should tackle that problem afterwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar

195MarthaJeanne
Mrz. 10, 2020, 3:41am

I've set up some separations. This is why we now have voting. Before anyone could just combine things, and there are still lots of things that should not have been combined.

196Nicole_VanK
Apr. 10, 2020, 8:12am

I can assure you that Vilmos Huszar and Vilmos Huszár are one and the same person : Hungarian born artist / typographer, contributor to "De Stijl", etc. It's just that some people have difficulties with diacritics.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Vilmos+Huszar#combinations

197AnnieMod
Jun. 1, 2020, 7:07pm

If someone has the inclination, the "culture" tag still contains a host of other tags such as "Shakespeare" so https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/culture#combinations -- if you had not voted yet...

198Edward
Jul. 19, 2020, 12:09pm

The bird nests tag is already combined with multiple tags such as Birds--Nests, so I think it should also be combined with Birds – Nests. I don't think there's a meaningful singular/plural distinction here: "bird nests" means "nests of birds" and doesn't imply just a single bird. (Combination proposal)

199SandraArdnas
Aug. 5, 2020, 6:14pm

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/T.+S.+%28Thomas+Stearns%29#combinations

I know there is no last name in T. S. (Thomas Stearns), but there's no other Thomas Stearns referred to commonly as T.S. and the single person using the tag is indeed using it for TS Eliot

200AndreasJ
Aug. 6, 2020, 2:34am

I've made a new attempt at combining "invertebrates" and "evertebrates":

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/invertebrates#combinations

I'd love to know why people keep voting against it.

201karenb
Bearbeitet: Aug. 6, 2020, 5:26pm

>200 AndreasJ: Only guessing here, but possibly because they are not the same word. Yes, they mean the same thing, but some folks vote only to combine tags that are pretty much the same.

Mentioning it here could help! (We'll find out, won't we?)

202lilithcat
Aug. 9, 2020, 9:55am

Oh, for pete's sake.

Unless you can show me that there was a U.S. President named "Lindoln", this is an obvious typo.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Lindoln+Abraham+%28President+U.+S.%29+-+B...

203ChloeSwadling
Aug. 9, 2020, 9:56am

Dieser Benutzer wurde wegen Spammens entfernt.

204gilroy
Aug. 9, 2020, 11:24am

>202 lilithcat: Some people don't like combining typos.

205MarthaJeanne
Bearbeitet: Aug. 9, 2020, 12:01pm

>204 gilroy: Especially for names of people. I hate it when people give me a wrong name.

206lilithcat
Aug. 9, 2020, 12:06pm

>204 gilroy:, >205 MarthaJeanne:

I get that. But this one is blindingly obvious.

207SandraArdnas
Aug. 9, 2020, 6:05pm

I get the reservations to combine name typos without context, but in the context of US president, it can't possibly be anyone else.

While I'm here, I'd suggest yes for culture combinations. Just because it used to be a mess is no reason not to combine legitimate tags. In fact, now that it isn't a mess is the perfect time to combine those that belong, even if it will become a black hole for unrelated tags in the future again.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/culture#combinations

208Edward
Aug. 10, 2020, 3:47am

I dislike a typo when I see it, and that makes me more more keen for it to be combined with the correct spelling (and a canonical form set for the combined tag if necessary). If the typo is left separate it's visible in more places, such as tag clouds on work pages.

209SandraArdnas
Okt. 17, 2020, 6:35pm

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/New+Directions+in+Teaching+%2526+Learnin...

All tags are used for a periodical New Directions for Teaching & Learning. The actual name of the periodical is with 'for' but the user with most tags uses the one with 'in', so those are actually more numerous.

There's also 'Periodical: New Directions for Teaching and Learning' tag by a member with most books in the series. To propose or no dice?

210SimoneA
Bearbeitet: Okt. 20, 2020, 7:28am

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/cosmos#combinations
I found out that Kosmos is a German publisher (for instance of the Die Drei !!! books, see https://www.librarything.com/nseries/65978/Die-drei-%21%21%21-%5BAusrufezeichen%...), as well as a Dutch publisher.
Many books with the Kosmos tag are not about the cosmos, but presumably published by one of the publishers.

Edited to add: please vote YES on the proposed separations. Thanks!

211gilroy
Okt. 20, 2020, 5:54am

>210 SimoneA: So you're saying they should NOT be voted yes?

212SimoneA
Okt. 20, 2020, 7:26am

>211 gilroy: No, I'm saying please vote yes on the proposed separations. Sorry for any confusion!

213gilroy
Okt. 20, 2020, 3:27pm

>212 SimoneA: Ah, I misunderstood that they were separations.

214lilithcat
Mrz. 14, 7:16pm

There is a proposal to separate "Solomon Islands" from "Islas Salomón". Please vote "yes"!

As discussed in another thread, these are two different places, and there is a disambiguation notice to that effect.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Solomon+Islands#combinations

215MarthaJeanne
Bearbeitet: Aug. 16, 2:23am

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/marriage#combinations

(These are separations.)

Even in German, 'Ehe' can have two meanings. It can mean marriage but it can also mean before. A short Google search reveals other possible meanings.