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1avaland
Jul. 31, 2018, 4:52pm

A few of us were talking over on the "What Are You Reading Now?" thread about poetry and, in brief, our experience with it (or not, as the case may be). Below is the beginning of the conversation:

lisapeet: ..."So I'm leavening that with The Selected Poems of Donald Hall, which are lovely, and because over and over I keep seeing the ebook on sale and I keep almost pulling the trigger but then thinking I could just get the library ebook, I'm mooting this point by reading the library ebook of Adam Haslett's Imagine Me Gone."

avaland: >lisapeet: "I've not been an especially big fan of Donald Hall, but I adore the work of his wife, Jane Kenyon."

lisapeet: ">avaland: "I like them both in different ways—hers have much more depth, but there's something Robert-Louis-Stevenson-like about his that reminds me of me as a kid first reading poetry. If that makes any sense whatsoever."

avaland: > lisapeet: "That does make sense. Most of my contact with him has been since the death of Jane. I went to a reading for his collection Without and it was so, so sad. It's been really interesting to see his latest collection selling well (for poetry, that is) now that he is deceased (but then, I am in NH so one would expect it).

Good to find another reading poetry. I think we may be a dying breed."

lisapeet: >avaland: "You may be right. I was a big poetry reader as a little kid—I started off on children's collections and was given a few really good gateway books as well, and it was taught in my grade school. The usual stuff, but that was enough—I still remember the fascination some of those poems held for me. and that set me up for a lifelong poetry habit. But I'm not sure how many people not in their 40s or 50s got that early inoculation."

avaland: > lisapeet: "At age 10 our class had a field trip to Longfellow's birthplace and it had a profound effect on me. I'm not sure I can tell you why (I'm nearly 63, btw), but it began a great lifetime love affair with poetry."

continued....

2avaland
Jul. 31, 2018, 4:54pm

japaul22: >avaland: "The poetry discussion is interesting to me. I just turned 40, so was in school in the 80s and 90s. I certainly studied poetry in school, but I never really connected with it. As an adult I wouldn't even know where to begin. It also doesn't seem to fit my reading life very well. I imagine that you can't just sit down and read poetry for an hour like I do with the books I read. So I would need to fit it into my reading life in a different way? Also, when I have tried poetry as an adult, I have tried the classics like Browning and Dickinson and Longfellow and I wonder if I'd feel more connection with contemporary poets who I unfortunately know little about. Maybe we need a Club Read poetry thread? Or maybe we have one and I've ignored it . . .

I will say that my kids never laugh harder while reading than while reading the poetry of Shel Silverstein and Jack Prelutsky."

benitastrnad:
"There is a group of poetry readers in the 75'ers. Mark, Joe, and Paul. Each one of them has a thread where they talk about the poetry they are reading. I am not sure if they have a thread devoted just to poetry, but any one of them would know for sure. Just check out their threads in the 75 challenge group."

ladyofthelodge: Regarding the poetry discussion: I was introduced to poetry in elementary school. We memorized and recited poems. I still remember "In Flanders Fields" in its entirety. I also had to memorize a poem in German class, and can still recall bits of it in German. I have not read poetry lately, other than Shakespeare. My book group once grabbed onto a book of Cowboy Poetry and that was a fun read. Shel Silverstein still has a place upon my shelf, although I have not opened him lately. My dear departed spouse could recite The Cremation of Sam McGee from memory!

3LadyoftheLodge
Jul. 31, 2018, 4:58pm

Thanks for getting this started! One more little tidbit: I attended Catholic schools from K-12 grades. The nuns were big on memorizing poetry and group choral recitation. Anyone else have this background?

4avaland
Bearbeitet: Jul. 31, 2018, 5:36pm

>japaul22 My kids LOVED both Silverstein and Prelutsky. The oldest (who is nearly 40 now) memorized many of the poems from Prelutsky's first collection, which was just out when she was 9 or so.

I find poetry speaks to me in a way fiction does not, although there is fiction I find very lyrical or poetic. It offers me a succinct way of seeing or feeling things that are not mine, yet leaves a door open to include me. Contemporary poetry offers me this often, but not always, in a kind of music that one can tune our ears to hear.

These days, I tend to like short-line poetry, where the poet is succinct and where every word counts. And I like poetry that has music imbedded in it. I want to see things in a different way; I want to make a connection. I enjoy poets who only write poetry (i.e. Carol Duffy, Nikki Giovanni, Eavan Boland), and some who also write fiction (i.e. Margaret Atwood, Ron Rash, Michael Crummy, Helen Dunmore, Julianna Baggott...etc). I've not read enough of the younger poets yet to advise (though I'm working on it).

I think you would need need to sample through an anthology to see what you like and what you don't. Caroline Kennedy edited an anthology a few years ago, She Walks in Beauty: A Woman's Journey Through Poems that is quite nice, very accessible with good choices. Might be a good place to start.

Otherwise, at our bookstore, we sell a fair number of Mary Oliver collections, and have done well with Billy Collins. Both are very accessible poets. As is the UK's Carol Duffy.

There are audios of poets reading on the Poetry Foundation website: https://www.poetryfoundation.org

5Cariola
Jul. 31, 2018, 8:00pm

>4 avaland: Give Li-Young Lee a try. I think you would like his work. I like his earlier work more than the recent. Here's an example.

I Ask My Mother to Sing
by Li-Young Lee

She begins, and my grandmother joins her.
Mother and daughter sing like young girls.
If my father were alive, he would play
his accordion and sway like a boat.

I’ve never been in Peking, or the Summer Palace,
nor stood on the great Stone Boat to watch
the rain begin on Kuen Ming Lake, the picnickers
running away in the grass.

But I love to hear it sung;
how the waterlilies fill with rain until
they overturn, spilling water into water,
then rock back, and fill with more.

Both women have begun to cry.
But neither stops her song.

6Caroline_McElwee
Jul. 31, 2018, 10:31pm

Lois tipped me the nod about this group. I was lucky, I came to poetry early, and never had it broken for me in school. We had family friends who had it by heart and as a thank you for their readings, we had a family poetry anthology we were encouraged to read from. 'Custard the Dragon' was an early favourite, and Lewis Carroll's wonderful, 'The Jabbowocky'.

I was writing some poetry of my own by aged 8. I go through jags of both reading and writing it now.

I've just managed to persuade my RL book group to read The Rattle Bag an anthology chosen by Seamus Heaney and Ted Hughes. Other fine anthologies are Bloodaxe's Staying Alive, and Being Alive. Bloodaxe have a great catalogue of international poets and poetry in translation.

Here's Heaney reading one of my favourite of his poems, 'Digging'

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRkPU1LSUg

7Cariola
Bearbeitet: Jul. 31, 2018, 11:51pm

>6 Caroline_McElwee: I had the pleasure of taking a workshop led by Heaney in grad school. One of my favorite memories is having a beer with him in Dooley's in Ann Arbor. He was getting tired of running the circuit, eager to get back home to his daughter. Such a "real person" compared to so many of the writers who came to campus. And it goes without saying that I love his poetry.

Another poet that I love is Galway Kinnell, although he went through some odd experimental stages. "St. Francis and the Sow" is one of my all-time favorites; you can read it or hear Kinnell reading it here:

Well, sorry, not sure why the hot link isn't working, but here's the link and a copy of the poem.

https://www.poetryarchive.org/poem/saint-francis-and-sow

Saint Francis and the Sow

The bud
stands for all things,
even for those things that don’t flower,
for everything flowers, from within, of self-blessing;
though sometimes it is necessary
to reteach a thing its loveliness,
to put a hand on its brow
of the flower
and retell it in words and in touch
it is lovely
until it flowers again from within, of self-blessing;
as Saint Francis
put his hand on the creased forehead
of the sow, and told her in words and in touch
blessings of earth on the sow, and the sow
began remembering all down her thick length,
from the earthen snout all the way
through the fodder and slops to the spiritual curl of the tail,
from the hard spininess spiked out from the spine
down through the great broken heart
to the sheer blue milken dreaminess spurting and shuddering
from the fourteen teats into the fourteen mouths sucking and blowing beneath them:
the long, perfect loveliness of sow.

8lisapeet
Bearbeitet: Aug. 1, 2018, 7:04am

Ooh yeah, thanks for setting up this thread!

I was a really early convert—grew up in a traditionally bookish household (dad was a professor, mom an eternal student who read widely), and I think they felt it was their moral imperative to introduce me to poetry as soon as I could read. And I just ate it up. I think at that age you're smitten by both the imagery and the innovative use of language (and hey, rhyming!) so easily—e.e. cummings, Gerard Manley Hopkins, Coleridge, you name it. I went through a lot of plain old mass market paperback anthologies when I was very little, but two instances stand out: one was the anthology Reflections on a Gift of a Watermelon Pickle, which is actually aimed at kids but it was really fresh at the time of publication (1967, so I probably read it a few years later... but not many). But early early on was the first poem I remember—and I always roll my eyes a bit when people say stuff like that, but I shouldn't because in my case it's absolutely true—which was probably from A Child's Garden of Verses, Robert Louis Stevenson's "Happy Thought," quoted here in its entirety:

The world is so full of a number of things,
I'm sure we should all be as happy as kings

(A sentiment that, in spite of my slightly cynical self, I still hold deep in my heart). It was also the first poem I ever memorized, maybe not such a stretch there. But I got really into memorizing poems a few years later, when I was I don't know, ten? I still remember much of Coleridge's "Kubla Khan," which I loved in the same way I loved Middle Earth and Narnia around that age.

Oh, and also I went through the "My Book House" series, which I probably inherited from an older sibling. Super old school, but I adored them, especially the illustrations.



More later, but I gotta get to work...

9avaland
Aug. 1, 2018, 7:14am

>5 Cariola: That is lovely. Graywolf Press kindly sent me some anthologies that I'm going though when times are quiet enough, American Journal: Fifty Poems for Our Time and New Poets of Native Nations.

>6 Caroline_McElwee: "Digging" is one of my favorite Heaney's also. I have not read more than a collection or two of his, but that poem was in one of them.

I wrote my first poem at 10. The same year I knit a nose warmer and wore it to class. LOL. I read more consistently than I write it these days.

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I think japaul22 (reposted in #2 above) noted she did not connect with the classic poets and wondered if she might connect better with contemporary poets. How might we suggest one begin?

10Caroline_McElwee
Bearbeitet: Aug. 1, 2018, 7:42am

>7 Cariola: How lucky Deborah, an experience to treasure as you clearly do.

I've not got to Galway Kinnell yet, though I have many US/Canadian poet favourites including Mary Oliver, Wendell Berry, Jane Kenyon (as mentioned by Lois above), Elizabeth Bishop, Lawrence Ferlenghetti, Maya Angelou, Raymond Carver and Tess Gallagher to name but a few.

>8 lisapeet: ooo, like your books Lisa. We didn't have 'My Book House' in the UK.

11Caroline_McElwee
Aug. 1, 2018, 7:21am

>9 avaland: One way Lois might be to choose a theme you are interested in, and see if you can find a poet who writes about that theme. Obviously many write about nature, some write about politics, others write about the simple things in life. Though I also think anthologies are a great place to start, only a few poems by each poet, a flavour you may wish to gorge on when you find one that tickles your tastebuds.

12japaul22
Aug. 1, 2018, 10:14am

An additional question I always have about poetry is when you read them and how many at once? Do you just have a collection going and read one or two at the beginning or end of reading whatever else you’re reading? Or do you sit and read poetry for an long stretch?

I’ve downloaded She Walks in Beauty. I like how it’s organized but again I’m not sure if I should start at the beginning and read straight through or jump around. What do you prefer?

13Caroline_McElwee
Aug. 1, 2018, 11:41am

Hi Japaul - I guess that's personal taste. Now, generally I will read a volume by a single poet cover-to-cover, as they may have intentionally organised it a particular order. In an anthology sometimes I do cover-to-cover for the first read, then dip as and when. There will almost always be a few that really stand out for you, and that you will want to return to, maybe copy out into a common place book or anywhere you keep notes of things that resonate. I don't like to lose something that I love, so I both put dots by the poem in the contents page, in pencil, so I don't forget what I liked, then copy the best one's out.

I almost never read a poem only once. I read it on average 3 times before I move on to the next. Poetry tends to be very layered, and each reading is likely to enhance how you feel about it. I'd suggest not worrying about understanding everything. As well as being layered, poetry works on more than one level as an experience IMO, so the content, the rhythm, and sometimes that something that is intuitive, that in some way speaks to the reader in a way that maybe they can't put into words. If you are comfortable doing so, read it aloud. Don't worry that you may be unused to doing so and feel self-conscious even when alone. It's not a performance.

As a total starter with poetry, why don't you just try a poem a day, and make friends with it, read it a few times, set it aside. See if it draws you back. Then another the next day. Maybe the volume will drag you back more often...

14NanaCC
Aug. 1, 2018, 6:26pm

I don’t read a lot of poetry, but almost always enjoy it when I do. When I first started LT, Lois had recommended a book of essays, Seeking Palestine: New Palestinian Writing on Exile and Home by Penny Johnson (Editor), Raja Shehadeh (Editor). Throughout the book there were several poems, if I remember correctly. The one that Lois copied out in her review sticks with me, and is still relevant today.

By Fady Joudah

“MIMESIS

My daughter
wouldn't hurt a spider
That had nested
Between her bicycle handles
For two weeks
She waited
Until it left on its own accord.

If you tear down the web I said
It will simply know
This isn't a place to call home
And you'd get to go biking

She said that's how others
Become refugees isn't it?”


15LadyoftheLodge
Aug. 1, 2018, 7:41pm

>8 lisapeet: I loved the Book House books too! Your post reminded me of our fave book when I was a kid, which was A Child's Garden of Verse in the big book version. We loved it and read it so much that it eventually fell apart!We had some of those poems memorized, especially the one about the swing and the Land of Nod (which I found sort of creepy). The Gingham Dog and the Calico Cat was another fave, since Eugene Field was the Chicago Poet and we grew up in northern Indiana, loved to visit Chicago. I also persuaded my mom to buy me a book of Carl Sandburg poems when I was in 8th grade, and I still have that book.

16lisapeet
Bearbeitet: Aug. 1, 2018, 9:09pm

>6 Caroline_McElwee: Lovely, to hear Heaney's own voice.

And >7 Cariola: how cool to study with him. I love that Kinnell poem too, thank you—I always have a soft spot for animals in poetry.

>15 LadyoftheLodge: I'm pretty sure I wore that one out too.

One place I discover a lot of new contemporary poetry is through Poetry Daily's Poem of the Day. A recent favorite, from last week:

Nearly

Light, which I dreamt was a decoder
of everything, falls

uneven in piles on snowdrifts.
A final loose lasso of geese flies:
south, southeast.

Someone sleeps in the next room,
his breath curt stutters.

Inside I look at a book of mosaics:
shattered bones recomposed.
The abbreviated glass resolves

into horses,
an evening lake.

It is so pleasurable to recognize strangers
—the brain likes this little glory,
moment to crow over.

Lately I recognize myself more and more
like an explanation stepping out

from the woodwork of fact.
I am special and irrevocable,
under the skin of skin of stone.

Whoever is in the next room stirs and creaks
in sleep. The sound of his motion rearranges me.

AMY MENG
Bridled
Pleiades Press / LSU Press

17LadyoftheLodge
Aug. 2, 2018, 4:51pm

For those looking for poetry reading suggestions, I unearthed these from my book shelves at home:
The Random House Book of Best-Loved Poems edited by Louis Phillips
The Great Cat part of Everyman's Library Pocket Poets
Christmas Poems part of Everyman's Library Pocket Poets

I love the small size of these books, as they easily fit into a pocket, handbag, or back pack. I like to just flip through them and read random poems. The Random House book had an inscription on the inside from my dear departed husband, which made me smile! Just a little reminder that he is still there!

18LorisBook
Aug. 2, 2018, 8:01pm

I appreciate poetry and frequently purchase it. Currently, I'm reading 'Can Poetry Save the Earth: a field guide to nature poems' by John Felstiner. It is a wonderful read.

19avaland
Bearbeitet: Aug. 3, 2018, 2:35pm

>14 NanaCC: Wow! That is some ancient LT history! That book still stays with me, even though I passed it on.

>12 japaul22: Don't let us overwhelm you!

I sometimes read a single poet collection cover to cover, but other times I skip through the pages, back and forth, eventually covering it all. I do the same with anthologies. I will read all manner of poetry, and on any subject, even translations*, but there are certainly specific poets and poetry that I am drawn to.

*I often feel I am missing something in translated poetry.

20Caroline_McElwee
Aug. 3, 2018, 3:43pm

>14 NanaCC: heart breaking poem. Adding that volume to my list Colleen.

>16 lisapeet: Another lovely one.

21dchaikin
Aug. 3, 2018, 4:30pm

>12 japaul22: this is a fun question. I’m came late to reading in general and even later to poetry. My neighbor got me interested because he was interesting and so enthusiastic about it and had just published his first book (and later spent a year as Texas poet laureate). A great intro! : )

I found I started by reading one poem. I would read it, then sit on it for a while, and then read it again. It was kind of like reading a really interesting section of a book and then stopping to let it sink in. Later I would read more of them at once (because they interact, even in anthologies), I would just keep going until my head said stop. (Often ~ten) Some would stick and then I would wonder why and I would go back to them.

I think poetry should come free and easy, no commitment. You don’t need a book. Sometimes a magazine that’s not too experimental is perfect (avoid Iowa review!!) You could buy an issue of Poetry magazine, and if you get into it you can follow up and listen to the podcast on the same issue (free) and here authors read their own works. Makes a difference.

What makes poetry different is that you don’t read to get to the end. You don’t count pages or pace and you don’t have an endpoint. It’s a now kind of thng.

22Caroline_McElwee
Aug. 3, 2018, 4:42pm

What makes poetry different is that you don’t read to get to the end. You don’t count pages or pace and you don’t have an endpoint. It’s a now kind of thing.

I like that Daniel, and agree with it too.

23lisapeet
Bearbeitet: Aug. 3, 2018, 4:53pm

>21 dchaikin: Yes, agree.

I also find that while I can work at a book to see if it'll grow on me, or if my feelings/opinion change as I go, poetry either clicks or it doesn't for me. There are some poems I've come back to at very different times in my life that have struck me differently, but mostly it's either/or. And that toggle switch is pretty random—I don't favor particular styles or trends or eras, and while there are some poets I love and come back to over and over—Frank O'Hara, Mary Oliver, Louise Gluck, Galway Kinnell off the top of my head, but many more that I'm not flashing on—a lot of it is just random brain firings related to time or place or circumstance or the sound they make in my head. One of the reasons I like that Poetry Daily Poem of the Day is because it's also so random.

Krista Tippett often has poets on her On Being podcast, which I also love—hearing them talk about their work and then read it.

24Cariola
Bearbeitet: Aug. 4, 2018, 12:27am

>21 dchaikin: >22 Caroline_McElwee: >23 lisapeet: I agree, nice comment on what makes poetry different. The other thing, I think, is that it works on different parts of the brain. You aren't just reading for a story or for information, you are reading for the sound, the use of space, the visual imagery, and, of course, the emotional impact.

25baswood
Bearbeitet: Aug. 3, 2018, 8:10pm

>12 japaul22: If I am reading a collection of poetry I will probably not read more than two at a time. Dan is right some poems need to be sat on, some need to be treated like crossword puzzles, if they are read too quickly, for example only once then you can miss an awful lot. I am reading selected poems by Fleur Adcock; the first poem in the collection was titled "Note on Propertius" and I didn't know who Propertius was and so I had to look him up (google is great for this sort of thing). I discovered that Propertius was a Latin elegiac poet who died in 25BC. There were examples of his poetry in translation free on the web, and if I had not done some background reading Adcock's poem would have been lost on me.

I read long poems more like a novel, but carefully; I am about to read a translation of Jerusalem Delivered by Torquato Tasso, it is in two volumes.

26avaland
Aug. 4, 2018, 7:29am

>21 dchaikin: Great suggestions, Dan!

I'm currently dipping into a new, small anthology, American Journal: Fifty Poems for Our Time, selected by Tracy K. Smith (current poet laureate of the United States). It's a mix of contemporary poetry by a mix of contemporary poets. I'm skipping around in it now, but will settle in eventually and read it cover to cover.

27Caroline_McElwee
Aug. 4, 2018, 9:52am

>26 avaland: I enjoyed Tracy K Smith's latest volume Wade in the Water Lois.

28japaul22
Aug. 8, 2018, 8:46am

I'm enjoying dipping in and out of She Walks in Beauty - thanks for the suggestion Lois!

So far I'm liking a lot of the advice given here. I'm not thinking about "finishing" this collection or reading it in order. I'm just dipping in and out of it - finding that some I like and some I don't want to read past the first line.

One I have connected with, probably because two of my best friends and I turned 40 this year:

Girlfriends by Ellen Doré Watson

First and last, mirrors
whose secrets we keep in a home-
made petrie dish
(sometimes they give us ideas)
I mean the ones who say the unwel-
come when it matters
whose kids watch us for clues
whose kids we watch for clues

Not the ones who decided there was
too much too true of them in our
eyes, and ran,
but the ones who'll be around to see
us bald or one-breasted and we
them
who'll know to say what can't be
said (with their skin)
whose bodies, spreading or starved,
we love
whose husbands (or lack of) it's
okay to disapprove, or almost
covet
whose girlfriends are ours by proxy
who share these assumptions and
would their last Godiva, valium,
amulet

The lifers
who, even seven states away, are
the porches
where we land

29Caroline_McElwee
Aug. 8, 2018, 1:05pm

Like that poem. I'm lucky enough to have those kind of girlfriends too. Poetry captures deep feeling so often. Often just plain fun too.

30thorold
Bearbeitet: Aug. 9, 2018, 9:52am

I missed this thread, what with holidays and things, and I see all the important advice has already been dispensed whilst my back was turned...!

Completely agree that most lyric poetry is best approached by dipping in as the fancy takes you and not trying to read a lot at once. I usually keep at least one poetry book on my bedside table, which often doesn't get touched for weeks on end, and at other times is dipped into energetically (at the moment it's Ingeborg Bachmann's turn; before that it was Tony Harrison).

A couple of people mentioned the importance of listening to poetry - also agree very strongly with that! Hearing the poet (or a good actor) performing the poem is a completely different experience from seeing it cold on the printed page, and it's often the best way into a poem or poet who is new to you. (But the poetry collection you eagerly bring home from a reading, with the poet's signature still wet on the flyleaf, is all too often a disappointment...!)

Memorising poetry is something that usually only gets mentioned in the context of traumatic experiences at school, but - if you have that sort of mind - it does make sense to do it occasionally. Memorising a poem you love is the best possible way of having it with you at all times and being able to get it out and play with it when you need it. Obviously works better for poems in strict form than for free verse. (And best of all for dreadful earworms you would prefer to forget, like the verse of Mrs Hemans...)

Writing poems yourself is also a good thing to do, provided you exercise decent restraint about inflicting them on others. Even just making up a few lines of silly jingly parody and working out why they sound wrong can really help you to make sense of what the poet is doing.

31dchaikin
Aug. 10, 2018, 7:35am

Mark - I just put a book by my bedside. I know, it’s morning, but it will be there tonight.

Jennifer- glad you’re enjoying that collection

32ELiz_M
Aug. 10, 2018, 7:55am

I feel like poetry is made for podcasts (or vice versa....?). Does anyone listen to any poetry centered podcasts?

I want one that features classic as well as modern poetry and is basically the structure of Break, Blow, Burn -- a brief introduction to the poet/poem, a reading of the poem, then a discussion or analysis of it. So far, the few I've tried are just reading of poems.

What the internet recommends

Hmmm, maybe want I want is a Great Courses on poetry.....

33thorold
Aug. 10, 2018, 9:25am

>31 dchaikin: I admire your confidence :-)

>32 ELiz_M: Ian McMillan’s “The Verb” can be very good. It’s not always about poetry, but when he’s talking to a poet he asks very penetrating questions. I’ve just been listening to the very interesting extended reading/interview he did with Douglas Dunn.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006tnsf/episodes/downloads

34dchaikin
Aug. 11, 2018, 8:40am

Kenneth Rexroth gave me this, a translation of Akahito

The mists rise over
The still pools of Asuka.
Memory does not
Pass away so easily.

35lisapeet
Bearbeitet: Aug. 11, 2018, 9:22am

>32 ELiz_M: If you're looking for a great free intro to contemporary poetry course, Modern & Contemporary American Poetry is a lot of fun and has a big discussion forum of past users behind it, which is probably half of what makes it so good. Caveat: I haven't taken the whole course, but covered it for an article so I "sat in" (if you can call it that, since it's online and free). The instructor, Al Filreis, knows his stuff and he's got a lot of personality... anyway it's FREE, so I say worth a shot, and if you don't like it no harm no foul.

As mentioned above, On Being often has poets as guests, reading their work and talking about it and their own history.

36avaland
Aug. 12, 2018, 7:18am

Just received the September issue of The Atlantic and there is an article/essay on "How Poetry Came to Matter Again" by Jesse Lichtenstein.

Minority poets, queer poets, immigrant poets, refugee poets—a younger generation of outsiders in America has found itself on the inside, winning prizes and acclaim with ambitious debuts. Exploring and exploding identity in new ways, these voices are also—of all things—drawing crowds.

I'll post a link when it gets posted online. I haven't had time to read it yet.

37avaland
Bearbeitet: Aug. 14, 2018, 6:23am

>28 japaul22: Glad you are enjoying the anthology. I thought a themed anthology is a much better way to start than an annual "Best Poets" type anthology.

BTW, here in the states there has been an adorable reprint of Carol Ann Duffy's first collection as UK Poet Laureate, The Bees. It's a good choice if you wish to try a single poet collection (of a living poet).

How Poetry Came to Matter Again.

38Cariola
Aug. 12, 2018, 2:16pm

>36 avaland: I would say that's a pretty good one-line assessment of the state of poetry today.

39Mihai.Paul
Aug. 12, 2018, 3:03pm

Hi guys. I just finished compiling my first book of poems and short stories. if any of you would like to give it a read and post a review on your social media or on the product (book) page on amazon or itunes books I would be more than happy to email the book to you, free of charge of course.
PM me if interested.

40avaland
Bearbeitet: Aug. 14, 2018, 6:23am

How Poetry Came to Matter Again, as mentioned in #37.

41dchaikin
Aug. 14, 2018, 7:10am

>40 avaland: content vs quality dressed as an ism debate?

42tonikat
Bearbeitet: Aug. 14, 2018, 6:54pm

Just discovered this (year's) thread, away for a little while and look what happens.

Great.

(looking forward to more of this - but that article title puts me off, it's probably a great article, but did it ever not matter?)

43tonikat
Bearbeitet: Aug. 17, 2018, 3:40am

44avaland
Aug. 17, 2018, 6:47am

>41 dchaikin: I haven't had a chance to read it yet, Dan. It's in the pile.

45dchaikin
Aug. 17, 2018, 6:58am

>43 tonikat: that was nice to wake up to.

46lisapeet
Aug. 17, 2018, 7:19am

>43 tonikat: Oh nice, thank you. Merwin is so... green.

47Caroline_McElwee
Aug. 17, 2018, 8:11am

>43 tonikat: Nice. Do like his chaise lounge too.

48tonikat
Aug. 17, 2018, 11:28am

>45 dchaikin: >46 lisapeet: >47 Caroline_McElwee: - it is nice, the chaise longue too -- and it seems a nice room and his view, must work on my life . . . is it possible.

49thorold
Bearbeitet: Aug. 20, 2018, 4:38am

Another thought - since I came across a few successful and not-so-successful examples over the weekend - what about poems in public art projects?

It's something Dutch towns do quite a lot of these days, but I don't really have a feel for how common it is elsewhere (I don't remember coming across any notable examples in the UK, for instance, but I have seen a few in Germany). You commission a poet to write something about a specific place (or take an existing poem), and an artist or craftsman to come up with an interesting way of inserting the poem into the landscape.

A few examples of different ways of doing this that I've seen:
Leiden - most people who've visited the Netherlands (and all who were at the LT get-together with Darryl a couple of years ago) will have seen the billboard-size poems by great poets from around the world painted on blank gable walls around the centre of the university city.

Maassluis - "the longest poem in the Netherlands" is an acrostic presented to walkers and cyclists a line at a time over a distance of 600m along the bank of the river. In keeping with the shipbuilding heritage of the town, the lines are plasma-cut into rusty steel plates. https://www.maassluis.nl/over-maassluis/nieuwsberichten_42951/item/informatiepal...

Rural Limburg - in my walks I've come across many examples of poems left at strategic points in the countryside. Sometimes neatly engraved into stainless steel (as in the example below from Swier, near Nuth); sometimes carved in stone; sometimes chiseled into split logs and obviously meant to rot away and disappear after a few years.

50tonikat
Bearbeitet: Aug. 21, 2018, 5:09am

There's a poem on a footbridge in our city, whenever go across I mean to read it, maybe I have got to the end but usually get distracted, and the ways it is presented I find distracts me. We have some other words on pavements too, I don't find them very poetic though.

I also thought of Simon Armitage's words inscribed on rocks on a walk in Yorkshire - https://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/its-world-simon-armitage-poe...

51exlibrismcp
Aug. 22, 2018, 12:05pm

Here are some of my favorite poetry books currently on my shelf:
Here, Bullet by Brian Turner
Ballistics by Billy Collins
Sonnets of the Cross (a limited chapbook edition) by Joseph Bathanti
Singing a Tree into Dance by Jaki Shelton Green
Breath of the Song by Jaki Shelton Green

I also like Robert Morgan's poetry, but do not have any collections by him. There are some poems (with audio) on his website http://www.robert-morgan.com/poems

>36 avaland: I have a self-made book of all the poems I cut out of my The Atlantic and Poets & Writers magazines. Have found some real gems in there, but also some that don't necessarily resonate with me.

52baswood
Aug. 22, 2018, 12:11pm

I am reading selected Poems by Fleur Adcock at the moment and thought I would share this:

Instructions to Vampires
Kareen Fleur Adcock (b. 1934/02/10 in Papakura, North Island, New Zealand)
Fleur Adcock, from Poems: 1960—2000 (2000)

I would not have you drain
with your sodden lips the flesh that has fed mine,
and leech his bubbling blood to a decline:
not that pain;

nor visit on his mind
that other desiccation, where the wit
shrivels: so to be humbled in not fit
for his kind.

But use acid or flame,
secretly, to brand or cauterise;
and on the soft globes of his mortal eyes
etch my name.

53Caroline_McElwee
Aug. 22, 2018, 3:16pm

>52 baswood: very powerful Barry.

54tonikat
Aug. 22, 2018, 3:55pm

>52 baswood: one to note with care

LT informed me today is Samuel Menashe's anniversary, a man careful with words. I found this Bloodaxe tribute - and recommend the video (if it works for you) http://bloodaxeblogs.blogspot.com/2011/08/samuel-menashe-1925-2011.html

55avaland
Aug. 26, 2018, 4:07pm

>36 avaland: If I were doing cut-outs, I would have to add the 'zine World Literature Today as they regularly have international poetry, much of it translated, much of it interesting and very good.

56tonikat
Bearbeitet: Sept. 13, 2018, 7:36am

https://ndsmcobserver.com/2018/09/the-death-and-resurrection-of-poetry/

I should have said I liked this for is honesty and how it points the way to poetry, I quite liked that poem on youtube too.

57tonikat
Okt. 20, 2018, 6:57am

crossposted with my thread -

I've noticed LT tell me today would have been Rimbaud's birthday - not that he'd have been sentimental, probably. But since I noticed:

http://www.mag4.net/Rimbaud/poesies/GenieE.html

I like this translation as it ends with 'light' (I know the French is 'jour').

58dchaikin
Okt. 25, 2018, 10:45pm

>57 tonikat: "...which we, standing in rage and boredom, see passing in the stormy sky among banners of ectasy." - this line seems like it's more meaningful today then when it was written. Enjoyed the poem, even if I missed it on his birthday.

59tonikat
Bearbeitet: Okt. 27, 2018, 4:43pm

>58 dchaikin: cool. It's timeless perhaps.

but back to time - I noticed it is Dylan Thomas' birthday:

http://www.poetrybyheart.org.uk/poems/the-force-that-through-the-green-fuse-driv...

Edit - and Sylvia Plath too, but I can't find any links to poems of hers I feel like sharing that look legit. I'd suggest 'The Moon and the Yew Tree' right now.

but I'll stop posting these birthdays now I think.

60lisapeet
Feb. 10, 2019, 9:01am

Is this thread only relevant to 2018? Because I just read a great collection, When My Brother Was an Aztec by Natalie Díaz. Published in 2013, but very relevant—a lot here about the Native American experience, addiction, love, loss, war. Fantastic use of language and imagery, really imaginative and association-sparking, but not frivolous in the least, or sentimental. Highly recommended. She won a MacArthur Genius Grant, and well deserved.

61tonikat
Feb. 10, 2019, 10:05am

I think we just need a 2019 thread, if there isn't one?