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Blocks to combining that affects large numbers of copies (Sorry, too much love!) #3

1jasbro
Dez. 4, 2019, 2:00pm

To Get Works Combined Anyway

Post a request to this thread. Please be sure to include links to each work you want combined.

For example:

Please combine these two works:
http://www.librarything.com/work/5061284
http://www.librarything.com/work/11847113

If it's not obvious that the two works are the same (different title/authors/etc.), it may be helpful if you jot down a few sentences to explain that. But please be sure they really do need to be combined. Keep in mind that different editions with significant textual changes (a original publication versus a later "uncut" version) are treated as different books. Minor changes (like a later version containing a new forward, a new edition with/without illustrations, etc.) do generally belong together in the same work, as do different versions of the same work in different languages.

For help combining works that would affect fewer than 200 copies, please post to the current "Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread". This thread can be found in the Combiners! group (a new thread is created each month to prevent it from becoming cumbersome).

The Problem

You cannot easily combine two works if BOTH works contain a large number of copies (currently the limit is 200 copies). For example, if you try to combine The Dark Tower (having over 6,000 copies) with The Dark Tower Boxed Set (Books 1-4) (having over 500 copies) you will receive this error:

Sorry, too much love! Because of a number of massive over-combinations (eg., every book by C. S. Lewis combined into one) combinations that change more than 200 books have been disabled, except for LibraryThing staff, until we work out some rules.

See the WikiThing page, http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Combination_Blocking, for more information.

You were attempting to combine the works: 5974, 49836

In this case, this error prevents you from combining two works that really should not be combined. However, sometimes it does prevent legitimate combinations. Though the message says only LibraryThing staff may combine these books, that's not entirely true. There are ways to finagle it to combine them, but because of the possibility of harm they aren't really broadcast (but if you know enough to ask...)

As such, the previous thread on this topic ended with LibraryThing members volunteering to combine these "too much love" works for other users.

2guyalice
Bearbeitet: Jan. 2, 2020, 12:42pm

Combining the appropriately named From Hell.

https://www.librarything.com/work/5779 (513)
https://www.librarything.com/work/23963478 (1,382)
https://www.librarything.com/work/23963479 (901)

These are each for the graphic novel by Alan Moore, not the movie, not single issues, etc.. I'm curious how something like this happened. It's not a glitch or anything?

Edit: And another one titled "From Hell - New Cover Edition"!
https://www.librarything.com/work/23963480 (312)

3MarthaJeanne
Jan. 2, 2020, 12:45pm

Likely started by wrong combinations separated out but not recombined. Since there are several works that are similarly titled as far as the colon, wrong combinations can be expected.

4r.orrison
Jan. 2, 2020, 3:10pm

6guyalice
Jan. 3, 2020, 8:51am

>4 r.orrison: Many thanks!

7n_morrell
Bearbeitet: Jan. 14, 2020, 3:46am

Please combine these three works:
https://www.librarything.com/work/24121411 (353 copies)
https://www.librarything.com/work/24121419 (287 copies)
https://www.librarything.com/work/24121421 (427 copies)

The first is T.H. White’s The Once and Future King (vols. 1-5, the “complete” edition, “including The Book of Merlyn,” etc.).

The second and third are both single ISBNs (0006483011), a fat U.K. Voyager paperback from the 1990s that absolutely definitely includes all five volumes. I separated them from the vols. 1-4 work, but can’t combine them with the vols. 1-5 work because the copy number is >200.

Thank you!

9MarthaJeanne
Jan. 25, 2020, 3:52am

>8 Aquila: Something is not working right with the 0 copy work. But the problem is not what this topic was set up to deal with.

10Aquila
Jan. 26, 2020, 11:27pm

Sorry, I worked out what I was doing wrong. Thanks.

12aspirit
Jan. 29, 2020, 7:10pm

https://www.librarything.com/work/29530
https://www.librarything.com/work/24181289
https://www.librarything.com/work/24181292

I separated out too much when trying to clean up The Upanishads. These works actually appear to be the same.

13jasbro
Jan. 30, 2020, 11:48am

14aspirit
Jan. 30, 2020, 1:54pm

>13 jasbro: thank you!

15SGilbreath
Feb. 11, 2020, 2:22pm

Please combine these to works:

https://www.librarything.com/work/1586826
https://www.librarything.com/work/11077260

I believe the second one is just a BBC audiobook of the first.

16MarthaJeanne
Feb. 11, 2020, 3:15pm

>15 SGilbreath: Confirming that Amazon says unabridged.

17jasbro
Bearbeitet: Feb. 11, 2020, 6:02pm

>15 SGilbreath: The second Work you list is a radio dramatization of Lewis' original novel. As such, I think they're different Works and wouldn't combine them. Did I miss something?

18jjwilson61
Bearbeitet: Feb. 11, 2020, 6:32pm

>17 jasbro: Yes, the disambiguation notice on the second work says that its a dramatization. It looks like there might be some audiobooks mixed in there that should be separated out though since one of the tags on the work is audiobook.

19jasbro
Bearbeitet: Feb. 12, 2020, 2:27pm

>18 jjwilson61: Your point's well taken. I reviewed that Editions page yesterday and did some clean-up then. In the end, and still today, each Title or ISBN included on the Editions page leads me, one way or another, to that edition being specifically described as dramatization. Interesting (to me at least), most if not all are also described as audiobooks, which I may need to factor in my prior understanding of that term. There are already a dozen or so editions of The Magician's Nephew listed as audio, audiobooks or CDs; about a half dozen additional audiobooks (including abridged) and dramatizations; and I haven't yet ventured very far (again) into other volumes, collections, or materials related to the Series. If someone sees something that we should clearly separate and recombine elsewhere, I'm glad to help; but I've taken it about as far as I can for now. I appreciate everyone's input and help.

20fuzzi
Feb. 23, 2020, 10:52am

My copy of The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe

http://www.librarything.com/work/22754350/book/80731981

has 215 copies, and needs to be combined with

http://www.librarything.com/work/1182675

You were attempting to combine the works:Array, 22754350, 1182675


Thank you.

21MarthaJeanne
Feb. 23, 2020, 11:03am

That edition has 48 pages, so would seem to be abridged. Are you sure you have the right ISBN?

22fuzzi
Feb. 23, 2020, 12:43pm

>21 MarthaJeanne: you are absolutely right, it is an abridged volume. I must have added it based upon the cover, when I first joined LT and didn't know better.

Never mind, and thank you.

23scott_beeler
Mai 5, 2020, 11:35am

There's a large-number-of-copies entry for Malcolm Gladwell's "David and Goliath":
https://www.librarything.com/work/24496509
...that should be merged in with the main work:
https://www.librarything.com/work/13616057

Could somebody handle these?

24r.orrison
Mai 5, 2020, 12:57pm

26jasbro
Jun. 8, 2020, 3:19pm

28r.orrison
Jun. 14, 2020, 2:37am

29spiphany
Jun. 24, 2020, 8:07am

Does anyone feel like working on Riddley Walker? There are currently four works and I don't know which ones belong together. Evidently (judging by one of the disambiguation notices) someone started separating out the expanded edition from the original edition and ran into the "too much love" issue.

https://www.librarything.com/work/44537
https://www.librarything.com/work/24971779
https://www.librarything.com/work/24971883
https://www.librarything.com/work/24971784

For what it's worth, I'm not entirely convinced that the additional material in the expanded edition justifies separation. According to this page, it amounts to a total of less than 40 pages, consisting of a new afterword, some working notes, a couple of pictures, and a glossary. I don't think there were any substantial changes to the text of the novel itself.

30jasbro
Jun. 24, 2020, 2:32pm

>29 spiphany: In deference to the apparent effort to distinguish the Riddley Walker {expanded edition}, I've combined those but left the base Riddley Walker work separate, at least for now. We can decide whether to combine it at a later date. Even so, a quick glance at covers for the base work suggests that further separations and recombinations may also be in order to preserve a distinction between the original and expanded editions. If it's not done by the time I circle back to the work, I'll likely take a crack at it again then.

31libraryman_76021
Jun. 24, 2020, 9:02pm

I think the following works need to be combined:

https://www.librarything.com/work/17267504 (4,574 copies)
https://www.librarything.com/work/23409259 (3,180 copies)

To me, they appear to be same title. Added to this confusion is that the 1st item is listed on the Harry Potter series page (which shows that I don't own the title) and the 2nd one is my collection.

(And for the record, I created a new topic for this request in the Group before I realized this topic existed. So I deleted my post in the topic -- even though it might likely still show up -- and reposted the request here. Sorry for the confusion.)

32Collectorator
Bearbeitet: Jun. 24, 2020, 11:23pm

This member has been suspended from the site.

33jasbro
Bearbeitet: Jun. 25, 2020, 2:32pm

>31 libraryman_76021: >32 Collectorator: All of ISBN 1338099132 are now at https://www.librarything.com/work/23409259/editions, but (without investigating) I'm unsure why they should be separate. Please advise, and maybe add disambiguation to explain. Thank you.

ETA: For reference, there are 105 additional occurrences of "Special Rehearsal" editions at https://www.librarything.com/work/17267504/editions, most having ISBN 0751565350. Should they be separated and recombined with ISBN 1338099132?

34amanda4242
Bearbeitet: Jun. 25, 2020, 2:27pm

>33 jasbro: According to Wikipedia, the Special Rehearsal Edition is the script used in preview shows and the Definitive Collector's Edition includes later revisions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Cursed_Child#Editions

35jasbro
Bearbeitet: Jun. 25, 2020, 2:40pm

>34 amanda4242: Thanks for the insight. I need to check which one we have. More to the point, I'm still unsure how to specifically distinguish among editions (except by ISBN 1338099132) for potential separation and recombining.

37jasbro
Jun. 29, 2020, 7:50pm

39henkl
Bearbeitet: Jul. 1, 2020, 8:13am

>38 leselotte: leselotte: Done.

41jasbro
Jul. 9, 2020, 1:16pm

422wonderY
Jul. 14, 2020, 9:23am

I found two entries for A Room With A View on the author page, with no disambiguation notice on either.

http://www.librarything.com/work/20174
and
http://www.librarything.com/work/24065246

It gives me the "too much love" message when I try to combine.

I don't know the secret password.

43r.orrison
Jul. 14, 2020, 11:40am

45jasbro
Bearbeitet: Jul. 22, 2020, 4:33pm

>44 scholler: Done, with pleasure. Your third link above is a specific book record from among those already combined as the larger work/13056611 per your first link. Your second link is a one-copy work record that was easily combined with the larger work through the workbench. If you have any questions about the process or need further help, please let us know - either contact me directly or the Combiners! through this thread.

47jasbro
Jul. 27, 2020, 11:35am

>46 Daisy_zn: Thank you! Can you now add disambiguation notices, series and work relationships, and maybe canonical title {notes} to help us maintain appropriate distinctions between them? Otherwise, they're liable t get recombined again - maybe even as I type this reply.

48leselotte
Jul. 28, 2020, 4:34am

https://www.librarything.com/work/16138268
https://www.librarything.com/work/34212

Added bibliography and referencing system are not enough material to justify keeping these entries separate, and keeping them separate because both are distinguished translations into English pretty much excludes translations into all other languages.

49MarthaJeanne
Jul. 28, 2020, 5:41am

>48 leselotte: I agree. Both works include various editions and translations already. There are also several smaller works that also need to be combined in.

50SandraArdnas
Jul. 28, 2020, 9:08am

Quoting quokka70 from another thread:

"I need help to combine these two:

https://www.librarything.com/work/25125635 (542 copies)
https://www.librarything.com/work/25125556 (329 copies)

They correspond to the ISBNs 0140440836 and 014017897X. They are they Penguin edition of Cohen's translation of 27 essays. The second ISBN is the revised edition of 1993."

51al.vick
Aug. 9, 2020, 4:34pm

Seems like these are the same work to me, and I don't see a disambiguation notice, am I missing something?
https://www.librarything.com/work/23409259
https://www.librarything.com/work/17267504

52jasbro
Aug. 10, 2020, 5:06pm

>51 al.vick: See http://www.librarything.com/topic/313648#7199037 above. I'm not familiar with specific difference(s) between the editions, but it seems more than one LT member considered they should be separate.

53MarthaJeanne
Aug. 10, 2020, 5:23pm

>52 jasbro: Both these works are mainly the special rehearsal edition. If there are copies of the Collector's edition they would need to be separated out.

54al.vick
Bearbeitet: Aug. 11, 2020, 9:11am

If there is a difference between these versions, then it seems to me there should be a disambiguation notice or something. There is no way for me to be able to tell which one I have. I guess the title is different, I still don't know which one I have... Though it seems like the same thing to me...Which one should be on the Harry Potter series page? Both?

55al.vick
Aug. 11, 2020, 10:27am

I see the wikipedia entry on the Harry Potter and the Cursed Child scripts, but it is not clear from that entry what the difference is between the versions, or how to tell which one you have, or which version each edition catalog by LibraryThing members is which. Is there a reference somewhere on the web explaining which ISBNs go with which version, and what the differences are? I would be in favor of combining the two "editions" unless this can be explained.

56al.vick
Aug. 11, 2020, 10:55am

This work: https://www.librarything.com/work/23409259 seems to be only one ISBN number, but it looks like there were other ISBNs published in 2016. Aren't those also the early edition? How do we really know which editions are which? wikipedia says that the definitive collector's edition was not published until July 25 2017. So how many ISBNs are the early edition and how many are the later definitive edition? I just feel like this is a poor attempt to separate the two editions, and I would like a clear explanation of how to determine the versions of the book. I will shut up now and let people respond.

Sorry for the continued posting.

57jasbro
Aug. 11, 2020, 12:57pm

>56 al.vick: I don't disagree. I helped separate the editions per requests in posts 31 through 47 above. Having done it now, I'm reluctant to undo the separation if there's a reason to maintain a distinction. I'm not personally aware of the difference(s); perhaps libraryman_76021, Collectorator, amanda4242, or Daisy_zn can provide guidance.

58NinieB
Aug. 22, 2020, 9:34pm

The following three items seem to be the same abridged edition of Tocqueville by Richard Heffner:

https://www.librarything.com/work/13565214
https://www.librarything.com/work/13586151
https://www.librarything.com/work/2687765

59jasbro
Aug. 23, 2020, 2:44pm

60hipdeep
Aug. 27, 2020, 12:01pm

Looks like there are two items for Animal Farm:

https://www.librarything.com/work/1477
https://www.librarything.com/work/25053785

I did a little cleanup on a box set and a video recording which got into the second one, so I think it's safe to combine now.

61jasbro
Bearbeitet: Aug. 27, 2020, 12:50pm

62stilton
Okt. 27, 2020, 10:00am

Please combine:
https://www.librarything.com/work/8520
and
https://www.librarything.com/work/25194386

I understand the reason we can't combine works like this, but if people can still separate them then it seems a bit of a problem...

63jasbro
Okt. 27, 2020, 1:06pm

>62 stilton: That's why we're here! Done ... and thanks for your help.

64indeedox
Nov. 3, 2020, 9:23am

65gabriel
Bearbeitet: Nov. 3, 2020, 12:22pm

Two editions of Heidi:

https://www.librarything.com/work/24121770
https://www.librarything.com/work/4875

Two editions of Treasure Island:

https://www.librarything.com/work/25195081/editions
https://www.librarything.com/work/1812

The issue that arose on the other thread is whether you can combine editions where there appear to be some mis-attributed abridgements in an unsplittable edition. The conversation appeared to peter out, but I think it's important to continue discussion: random uncombined 1000-member editions of popular books is significant.

66jasbro
Nov. 5, 2020, 11:43am

>64 indeedox: Done.

>65 gabriel: I can't vouch for these combinations. On Heidi, we have two copies, one aligned with each work record. As I recall, they have different content. I thought we were working toward distinctions, but that's all apparently been undone. Likewise, on Treasure Island, again as I recall, our 1963 Grosset & Dunlap edition illustrated by Gerald McCann is a juvenile edition, and may well be abridged or adapted. If someone else knows better, I defer, at least for now.

67al.vick
Bearbeitet: Nov. 5, 2020, 12:18pm

>65 gabriel: On Treasure Island, I have a copy in the second listed link, and it is listed as unabridged, and that work is the "main work". There is not really any information on the edition in the first link. I would probably be in favor of combining them, but no information means different things to different people.

The same could be said about not much information on the single edition of Heidi. Hard to know if that is an abridgment or adaptation.

68gabriel
Nov. 5, 2020, 2:42pm

>66 jasbro:
>67 al.vick:

So, to summarise the earlier discussion:

Jasbro pointed out that single-edition works almost certainly contain some copies of adaptations or abridgements. Because both are single editions, there's no way of removing those copies. But it's equally clear that the vast majority of the copies are the original, un-abridged work for three reasons: the covers, and especially the popular covers, are almost entirely identifiable as unabridged editions; users and sources are more likely to add distinguishing information to an adaptation or abridgement than the original work; and lastly, in any event the vast majority of all copies of both Treasure Island and Heidi are the unexpurgated work.

There will be some copies that end up in the wrong place whether we combine them or not. But the status quo means that far, far, more copies will be in the wrong work.

I think failing to combine them makes the perfect the enemy of the good - we can't get perfect data, but we can do the best with what we have.

Finally, if our policy is that we will only combine when the edition data proves all copies are of a particular work, we'd have to separate out dozens of editions that don't contain an ISBN or other distinguishing information - and this is the case for probably hundreds of works across LT that have abridgements or adaptations.

69jasbro
Bearbeitet: Nov. 7, 2020, 6:14pm

>67 al.vick:, >68 gabriel: Certain publishers and certain editions are known for adapting or abridging classic works for a younger audience. Given how and when I came by our copies of Heidi, Treasure Island, Gulliver’s Travels, and others, I expect a number of our “classics” are such adapted and abridged versions. I can’t say that I’ve cleaned up and edited each of them across the board (that’ll take a while), but - where I’ve done so - it was with an eye toward distinguishing adaptations or abridgments for the original, full texts, every bit as much as we distinguish between parts and whole works (e.g., Lord of the Rings). Where other LT members have taken it upon themselves to combine previously distinguished works, that effort is completely lost.

Maybe it was a fool’s game to begin with, but I’m wondering now whether our goal is to have fewer works overall, or to acknowledge variants and differences based on content. If we’re going to start now combining adaptations and abridgments with their related complete works, we need somebody to make that as policy decision and set out some clear parameters. No doubt I’ll fall in line regardless. I just need to know which way we’re headed and how we plan to get there; then I can work with a new set of limitations and different expectations.

Please just let me know …

70gabriel
Nov. 7, 2020, 11:15pm

>69 jasbro:

Jasbro, I'm entirely on board with distinguishing between variants - I do so fairly often. The issue here isn't whether to separate variants, but whether an edition that's overwhelmingly copies of the complete work should be combined with the complete work.

71AndreasJ
Nov. 8, 2020, 2:47am

>70 gabriel:

I guess it's a choice between one or two wrongs: unidentifiable abridgments merged into the main work, or unidentified abridgments merged into the main work and the main work split in two.

72DemetriosX
Nov. 11, 2020, 6:43am

Ray Bradbury's A Medicine for Melancholy exists in two forms:

https://www.librarything.com/work/113472
https://www.librarything.com/work/258493

They have the same contents and even share some covers. As far as I can tell, the only difference is some editions have "And Other Stories" appended to the title. Might be due to some wonky Amazon data, not sure.

73Opteryx
Nov. 11, 2020, 7:05am

Two works for 'The Three Musketeers', both appearing to be full unabridged versions:
The Three Musketeers by Alexandre Dumas 1,576 copies https://www.librarything.com/work/25359003
The Three Musketeers by Alexandre Dumas 15,623 copies https://www.librarything.com/work/3745066

74jasbro
Nov. 11, 2020, 6:21pm

>72 DemetriosX: Disambiguation notices on each work suggest they're intentionally and properly separated. Apart from individual records that may need separation and recombining, I wouldn't combine the works without being extremely sure that their distinction based on content is just wrong.

>73 Opteryx: Done.

75scott_beeler
Bearbeitet: Nov. 13, 2020, 11:27am

>74 jasbro: Yes, the two Bradbury collections have substantially different groups of stories. The original version is from 1959 (with later reprintings) and is this:
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?874

The "...and Other Stories" version is from 1998 (with later reprintings) and has about 10 more stories (mostly from "S is for Space").
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?876

I've been cleaning up Bradbury some this week, but I didn't do this; the distinction between these two collections has been there for a while and is well documented in the Disambiguation Notices and other Common Knowledge.

Some of the covers attached to the two LibraryThing works might be incorrect from some previous combinations and separations. I believe all the entries are properly sorted though, going by title and ISBN.

76scott_beeler
Nov. 18, 2020, 1:39pm

Speaking of Bradbury, there is a 225-copy loose work for "The Martian Chronicles" which should be merged into the main entry.
https://www.librarything.com/work/24665999
https://www.librarything.com/work/31712

The same ISBN and "Grand Master Editions" descriptor are all throughout the main work; in fact the largest entry in it is this edition. So it's clearly the same work.

77jasbro
Nov. 19, 2020, 7:29pm

79gabriel
Nov. 29, 2020, 9:18pm

>74 jasbro:

The combined version of the Three Musketeers has a number of covers that are identifiable as abridgements. I think this indicates that enforcing a "don't combine" policy is unworkable.

The default has always been to have undifferentiated editions with the main work. It is only ~15 years into LT's existence that we are having this discussion.

80jasbro
Dez. 1, 2020, 9:45pm

>79 gabriel: Respectfully, I and other LT members have been unworkably separating undifferentiated editions into discrete works combinations of their own, and distributing differentiated editions among related editions based on discernible content. But I’ve only been at it for twelve years now, apparently having clearly missed the point of the first, most formative and definitive, 36 months. I defer.

81gabriel
Dez. 2, 2020, 11:54pm

>80 jasbro:

I honestly think we're talking past each other. I absolutely want to separate editions that are discernibly different (abridgements, children's versions, etc) into separate works, and I've done a fair bit of it.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying you and others have been doing and how it differs from what I'm suggesting.

82jjwilson61
Dez. 3, 2020, 11:05am

>81 gabriel: They're saying that they think that undifferentiated editions, those with no way to tell for sure which edition they belong to should be kept separate.

83spiphany
Dez. 4, 2020, 2:52am

This work https://www.librarything.com/work/25195585 consists of one particular edition of Hemingway's "The Old Man and the Sea" (ISBN 0684801221) with over 7600 copies.

As far as I can tell it isn't distinct in content (not an abriged or annotated edition, etc.) from the main work: https://www.librarything.com/work/4933

84r.orrison
Dez. 4, 2020, 3:05am

85gabriel
Dez. 4, 2020, 9:27pm

>82 jjwilson61:

And that's been the approach, if not a policy, for the last twelve years? If so, I apologize to jasbro. I had searched to try and find a discussion of the issue and hadn't found one, but perhaps I missed it, or perhaps that's just been what's been happening without any discussion.

At any rate, whether this is an old practice or a new phenomenon, I think we need a policy and a broader discussion to facilitate it. I had hoped to create a bit of a dialogue here, but it doesn't seem that we've made much progress. I may make a dedicated thread to address the topic when I have time.

86amanda4242
Dez. 4, 2020, 9:54pm

>85 gabriel: Yes, please do make a separate thread for discussion.

And back to the purpose of this thread, can someone please combine the works in >78 amanda4242:?

87jasbro
Bearbeitet: Dez. 5, 2020, 7:00pm

>86 amanda4242: At one time, we had distinguished three Octavia Butler anthologies that share the title Bloodchild and Other Stories: the original five stories and two essays (1995), an expanded edition of seven stories and two essays (the "second"; 2005), and a further expanded ebook edition of seven stories, two essays, and an illustrated biography of Butler with images from her estate (https://www.worldcat.org/title/bloodchild-and-other-stories/oclc/808490595?refer...; 2012). I'm concerned that we've now undone those distinctions, and I haven't had time this week to review or restore them.

88amanda4242
Bearbeitet: Dez. 5, 2020, 7:36pm

>87 jasbro: The "illustrated biography" is a one page bio with nine pictures and is the same biographical sketch and pictures included in all of Butler's works published by Open Road Media. Both the e-book edition and the second print edition contain all of the same stories, essays, and afterwards written by Butler. There is a thread in which this was discussed: https://www.librarything.com/topic/326780

https://www.librarything.com/work/16235325 is the combined e-book and second print edition of Bloodchild and other stories.
https://www.librarything.com/work/25753477 is the work created when I pulled all of the copies with an isbn matching the second edition out of the first, shorter edition. Both works are for editions with seven stories and two essays and should be combined.

89SandraArdnas
Dez. 7, 2020, 12:53pm

Please combine

https://www.librarything.com/work/25782792
https://www.librarything.com/work/11515509

The first I separated from the larger group, which is supposed to contain only editions based on Max Brod's original editing. I went by ISBNs known to belong to editions based on 'restored text', and with distinguishable titles (Verschollene, The Missing Person, the Man who Disappeared, etc).

90MarthaJeanne
Dez. 13, 2020, 6:16pm

It's after midnight, so this needs checking, but I think https://www.librarything.com/work/8203571/editions needs some combining done that includes two big ones.

91SandraArdnas
Dez. 15, 2020, 4:10pm

https://www.librarything.com/work/12339432
https://www.librarything.com/work/13587938

Judging by their respective disambiguation notices, these are the same .i.e. they contain the same stories

92Petroglyph
Dez. 15, 2020, 5:17pm

>91 SandraArdnas:
A review on the second item you posted lists stories not included in the disambiguation notice (and the reviewer notes these are not the full TOC).

Either these are the same book, but random different editions snuck in one or both, or the same disambiguation notice got attached to different works.

93SandraArdnas
Bearbeitet: Dez. 15, 2020, 6:19pm

>92 Petroglyph: https://www.librarything.com/work/12339432 definitely has the contents in DN (that's the one I have). The other one could use additional info in the note if it's different. I'll see whether WorldCat has contents for those ISBNs

Edit: ISBNs 0143105248 9780143105244 9781448719167 144871916X 1566199700 9781566199704 1566199697 9781566199698 show as corresponding to penguin classics deluxe, which is quite different. So https://www.librarything.com/work/13587938 definitely needs some cleaning up

Edit2: Yep, it's a mishmash of various works. Some ISBNs belong to Dover Thrift editions.

94SandraArdnas
Dez. 15, 2020, 7:11pm

OK, for starters I've separated the ISBN that's definitely the B&N edition, so please combine
https://www.librarything.com/work/25813727
https://www.librarything.com/work/12339432

ISBN 0140283366 belongs to Penguin Great Books of the 20th Century, and it's content corresponds with those in DN. So it should stay where it is. I'll add the canonical to make it distinguishable and separate others that do not belong here

95SandraArdnas
Dez. 15, 2020, 8:02pm

I've also separated the few penguin and dover editions that didn't belong here and combined them into appropriate works.

https://www.librarything.com/work/13587938 now has two ISBN's, 0140283366 - Penguin Great Books of the 20th Century, 1566199697 - another B&N classics edition. As far as I can tell, they have the same contents, only in slightly different order. So either entire https://www.librarything.com/work/13587938 should be combined with https://www.librarything.com/work/12339432 , or if it's deemed better to keep B&N and Penguin Great Books of the 20th Century separate, than ISBN 1566199697 should be separated and combined with other B&N classics.

Now, I need coffee, I have a headache ;)

96al.vick
Jan. 25, 10:17am

I think that https://www.librarything.com/work/26003111/editions is a paperback edition of https://www.librarything.com/work/20673. At least that is what is returned when I search for the ISBN of the first one. I think they should be combined.

97jasbro
Jan. 25, 12:40pm

>96 al.vick:, it seems that combination would be troublesome. WorldCat identifies that ISBN as a 1989 Turner Home Entertainment videotape for The Backbone of Night, an episode (v. 4, pt. 1.) of the "Cosmos" television program; see https://www.worldcat.org/title/backbone-of-night/oclc/22038270. I've added a canonical title, a series relationship, and a work relationship that I hope help put them in context with other related print and video copies, collections and sleections of Cosmos. If anyone can correct or improve on it, please do and thanks.

98SandraArdnas
Jan. 25, 12:57pm

>97 jasbro: Any reason not to combine >89 SandraArdnas: and >94 SandraArdnas:? Also, what about >95 SandraArdnas:?

99al.vick
Jan. 25, 3:10pm

>97 jasbro: Okay, I just searched Amazon for 0345331354 as if I were adding a book, and it brought up the paperback record. I see you added video to the canonical title, so that makes it clear that it is not the book. --Thanks

100r.orrison
Jan. 25, 3:37pm

Look at the series of videotapes: https://www.librarything.com/nseries/19289/Cosmos-%7Bvideo%7D
1 or 2 people own the other tapes, and 2,157 own volume 4 part 1? I really doubt it.
This is a case where I would absolutely ignore the ISBN and combine based on title and author.

101jasbro
Bearbeitet: Jan. 26, 1:42pm

>98 SandraArdnas: On your >89 SandraArdnas:, I personally value distinctions between a restored text and prior editions, viewing them as different content in much the same light as revised versions. The possibility of setting work relationships lets us connect two (or more) works yet recognize their differences; I wish there were something like a "revised/restored" relationship option, since not all revisions and restorations are necessarily "contained in" or "expanded" versions. In this case, we have both the restored text and an earlier edition (1946), https://www.librarything.com/work/28771; I'd want to review both copies and their respective LibraryThing records before I said or did more.

Similarly, I'm reluctant to speak to >94 SandraArdnas: and >95 SandraArdnas: because we neither have nor am I familiar with these anthologies or comparable editions. I suspect they're all contained in https://www.librarything.com/work/1340190, where I could confirm that the 1971, 1976 and 1983 editions have the same content (with John Updike's forward added for 1983).

Maybe I'm just particular, and particularly gun-shy; but in my experience, Kafka is one of those authors who's susceptible to recombinations of his content in a variety of editions.

>100 r.orrison: It looks like you have more information than either >96 al.vick: or I found, but I'll add that most covers at https://www.librarything.com/work/26003111 also appear to be books, not videos. I would defer to your better understanding, with thanks.

102r.orrison
Jan. 26, 1:44pm

>101 jasbro: It looks like you have more information
The only information I have is the number of cataloged copies of each episode, as shown on the series list at https://www.librarything.com/nseries/19289/Cosmos-%7Bvideo%7D
There are three orders of magnitude more copies of what is claimed to be volume 4 part 1 than the other episodes. That can't be right.

103SandraArdnas
Jan. 26, 2:16pm

>101 jasbro: Regarding Kafka's America, which is much more straightforward than the short story collections, I merely separated the restored editions from the old Max Brod edited ones so that they are combined where they belong. (As a result, there are 3 distinct works now, no longer just 2). The restored text is decades old by now and is the one published as a rule ever since. Yet, it was minuscule compared to old version.

Regarding Metamorphosis and Other Stories, there are so many works with the same title that I'd be inclined to keep the B&N and Penguin Great Books editions separate for the ease of recognizing and future combining, even though they contain the same stories in slightly different order. If separate, we can set the canonical title, not just rely on list of stories in the disambiguation notice. If that's the desired course, let me know and I'll separate so that only B&N editions are to be combined. Beyond that, I'll have to recheck the B&N editions, but I don't think they changed the content

104r.orrison
Jan. 28, 4:08am

>96 al.vick:
I've removed the canonical title which added information that wasn't in any member's cataloged title, unlinked it from the video series since I do not believe that over 2,000 people had cataloged that particular epsidode when only 1 or 2 people had cataloged the other episodes, and I've combined it into the main work.

105al.vick
Jan. 28, 12:12pm

106SimoneA
Feb. 4, 7:36am

I came across a few editions of The old man and the sea that are separate from the main work without an identifiable reason. I think they should be combined, but don't have the skills. Thanks in advance!
Main work:
- https://www.librarything.com/work/4933
Editions:
- https://www.librarything.com/work/25215967
- https://www.librarything.com/work/25215977
- https://www.librarything.com/work/25216042

107r.orrison
Feb. 4, 11:51am

108SimoneA
Feb. 4, 1:32pm

>107 r.orrison: Great, thank you!

109JMK2020
Bearbeitet: Feb. 5, 12:45am

>48 leselotte:
>49 MarthaJeanne:

Sorry, i can t follow everything but just read post on Juil 28, 2020

These works can't so easily combined

https://www.archives-carmel-lisieux.fr/carmel/index.php/oeuvres-de-therese

And

https://www.archives-carmel-lisieux.fr/carmel/index.php/oeuvres-de-therese/manus...

See here for Story of works, (Manuscrit, adaptation, interpretation, Abridged, more or less completed and so on)....

After you had to identify the translation (with Date, Text)

So after combinaison have a reason.

THAT'S WHY You'll fund several works and links between.

COMBINAISON IS AN ERROR WHEN SUBJECT IS NOT RATHER PERFECTLY KNEW (above all with this author and this text

I separated many of these works and recombine with a big part of these element (direct from and Carmel with archivist, some etablished data editors.... and something as 700/750 hours (searches)......... (you can add time to read)

As we know, we prefer to speak to God tbefore Saints.

An exemple? Here just unique pictures of Thérèse..... (47), Others are artefact, Fake, ... (so 0.0000001 % are real original.... It is worst for text)
https://www.archives-carmel-lisieux.fr/carmel/index.php/les-retouches-des-photos...

Now i cry

110MarthaJeanne
Bearbeitet: Feb. 5, 1:21am

>109 JMK2020: If you go to a lot of effort to separate, you need to add disambiguation notices to explain what is different about the works.

After that, others may disagree about whether the separation is justified. And over time books will be added to both works that don't match the original difference.

111vancouverdeb
Feb. 5, 6:31am

Please combine all these four works. I have read three of them and and a fourth is due out later in February. Mary Lawson is a Canadian author whose works I am very familiar with . Thanks!

https://www.librarything.com/work/16279 Crow Lake
https://www.librarything.com/work/1405036 The Other Side of the Lake
https://www.librarything.com/work/13767471 Road Ends
with https://www.librarything.com/work/25956718/book/196129866 A Town Called Solace

do not combine with this work https://www.librarything.com/work/181167 Knots The author has the same name, but is Australian and not the same as the Canadian author above.

Thanks!

112MarthaJeanne
Bearbeitet: Feb. 5, 6:54am

>111 vancouverdeb: Are you saying that these are all the same book? That doesn't seem right.

The author page https://www.librarything.com/author/lawsonmary has been split.

113vancouverdeb
Feb. 5, 7:29am

>112 MarthaJeanne: Thanks , MarthaJeanne. My mistake. I meant to split the authors as you did . Perfect! Thanks you!

114MarthaJeanne
Feb. 5, 9:31am

It was already split. I just added the new one.

115prosfilaes
Feb. 22, 2:23am

https://www.librarything.com/work/7201
and
https://www.librarything.com/work/26050883

are both The Essential Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson. There's no obvious differences, and no disambiguation notices.

116karenb
Bearbeitet: Feb. 22, 2:56am

>115 prosfilaes: I looked at the publisher site, and they list three apparently identical editions for the book, so no, no differences. (ETA: over here)

(I did seperate out a couple of Terry Goodkind books from one of the two Essential works, but that's a different issue.)

117r.orrison
Feb. 22, 2:55am

119MarthaJeanne
Mrz. 3, 5:49am

>118 leselotte: How did so many people enter it with Ros Ballaster as author?

120Maddz
Mrz. 3, 8:26am

>119 MarthaJeanne: Because they can't tell the difference between the author of the story and somebody writing the introduction and notes included in it?

However, if the notes are substantial, then there is is case for not combining as that would be in line with the usual practice.

121jasbro
Mrz. 3, 12:29pm

123r.orrison
Apr. 1, 2:57pm

124Nevov
Apr. 3, 8:46pm

Hello Combiners/love-busters,
I have separated both of these out of a cleanup on work/66229, which has a "deluxe" (expanded) version warranting its own work page:

https://www.librarything.com/work/26331237
https://www.librarything.com/work/26331347

ISBN 1401216676 is on both of these works:
On work/26331237 that ISBN is the largest edition, and it does have "deluxe" in its title there (598 copies)
On work/26331347 that ISBN (the only edition on the work) doesn't have "deluxe" (848 copies)

However, I think we would still want to combine the two, because only a few owners (17) out of the hundreds with that ISBN have uploaded a "non-deluxe" cover image for their copy, and the title/ISBN isn't a full mismatch, only missing the qualifier/subtitle. My instinct is to think it's better to combine, and thus all the ISBN 1401216676 will sit together on one work, hence this post, but if another way is preferred to handle work/26331347 I'll appreciate your wisdom. Thanks.

125scott_beeler
Apr. 4, 12:10pm

I think it should be combined. It looks to me just like a shortening of the title, given the ISBN.

126jasbro
Apr. 4, 6:28pm

>124 Nevov: >125 scott_beeler: And if an incorrect ISBN on a member’s record results in their non-deluxe work combined with the deluxe, their ISBN can be revised; as Nevov suggests, the deluxe edition should stand on its own.

127scott_beeler
Apr. 6, 3:45pm

>126 jasbro: Agreed that the deluxe should be kept separate from the basic edition, and if a user finds their copy is in the wrong work they can revise their copy. So if there's no objection can a staff member merge the two items Nevov points out, since the ISBN indicates both are the deluxe edition?

As a separate request, I'm currently cleaning up Alan Moore's page and there's another "too much love" case there that should be combined:
https://www.librarything.com/work/24058493
https://www.librarything.com/work/641699
These are both the first book in the Promethea series collections, and the outlier copy's ISBN matches that of many copies in the main work. Please combine?

128jasbro
Apr. 6, 5:57pm

>127 scott_beeler: Apologies! I saw and responded to Batman: The Killing Joke on myPhone, and flat-out forgot to follow up from a computer where I could do sump'n 'bout it. It's done now, as is Promethea, Volume 1. Thanks for your patience and reminder!

130jasbro
Apr. 23, 1:52pm

>129 Carmen.et.Error: Done - and thanks for your suggestion.

131SimoneA
Mai 6, 8:13am

I saw that this edition https://www.librarything.com/work/25209159/editions of Further Tales of the City needs to be combined with the main work https://www.librarything.com/work/24718. As far as I can tell, there is no good reason to keep them separate. Thanks in advance!

132jasbro
Mai 7, 1:26pm

134jasbro
Mai 15, 8:10pm

135JacobHolt
Mai 16, 12:10am

>134 jasbro: Thank you!

138karenb
Mai 23, 2:13am

>137 x_hoxha: (Homework mentioned in this thread: https://www.librarything.com/topic/332413)

140vivir_reads
Mai 23, 1:04pm

>139 r.orrison: Thank you!

141Maddz
Jun. 2, 12:37pm

The Watchman comic #1 (https://www.librarything.com/work/2449075/editions/201092421) has 2 stray editions of the collection combined in; both have ISBN 1401219268. They need combining with https://www.librarything.com/work/7233/editions - which has getting on for 17,000 copies.

I'm not even going to try...

142jasbro
Jun. 3, 8:46pm

143Maddz
Jun. 4, 12:27am

>142 jasbro: Cheers!

144Nevov
Jun. 6, 5:03pm

Hello Combiners,
Could someone please do the honours on these two:

https://www.librarything.com/work/2492277
https://www.librarything.com/work/26623666

It is book 1 of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. I separated /26623666 off an omnibus work where it had been wrongly combined, but its 262 owners is too many for me to complete the job and combine it into its correct work. Thanks.

145jasbro
Jun. 8, 12:09am

147jasbro
Jun. 14, 11:26am

149MarthaJeanne
Jun. 20, 7:39pm

It looks to me like the second link there should be combined with https://www.librarything.com/work/26684789, not with the collection of all 12 Watchmen books.

150Maddz
Bearbeitet: Jun. 21, 12:19am

Given I asked for the collection to be removed from the single issue upthread... And it looks like it's got combined back in.

151scott_beeler
Jun. 21, 4:04am

>149 MarthaJeanne: Hmm. I know entry 26684706 is titled as "Watchmen #1" but I just am skeptical that 350 people in LT have a copy of that single issue, when there's less than 20 people with copies of the second issue. I know there was a more recent reprint of it, but still to have that many people go out and get that... and the reprint cover doesn't show up attached to that LT entry at all...
https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=16338351

I'm think it's more likely that people are entering this as the entire collection with a bad title. It's weird either way though.

152Maddz
Jun. 21, 7:57am

>151 scott_beeler: I've noticed that a lot with comic issues - #1 usually has more than the rest of the series combined, even when you strip out the obviously wrong 'issues' with an ISBN and a different cover from the comic.

There is a set of people who buy issue 1s for investment purposes - they get sealed in one of those plastic cases and never read. You see a lot of those on Ebay at silly prices.

153jasbro
Jun. 21, 12:07pm

>150 Maddz: Apologies if I goofed. If you can tell specifically what's wrong and how it should be, I'm glad to help make it right.

154Maddz
Jun. 21, 1:32pm

>153 jasbro: I wasn't criticising, I was just pointing out I'd asked for some editions to be separated out and combined with the collected graphic novel. It looks like something has auto-combined again, although I did do the work-to-work relationships which should prevent that.

There's also a potential issue with foreign language translation not following the original numbering. If you look in Grendel, there's an example with Grendel Tales: Four Devils, One Hell. This was originally published as a 6-issue mini series, but translated as a 3-issue mini series.

Good places to check these are the Grand Comics Database (https://www.comics.org/) and Comic Vine (https://comicvine.gamespot.com/). The former is best for collections and foreign language versions.

156jasbro
Bearbeitet: Jun. 28, 1:03pm

>155 booksaplenty1949: I'm unsure whether all 1,973 copies of Treasure Island at -work/25195081 are complete and unabridged. Without limitation, two of our three copies have wound up there; one of the two is a 1963 Grosset & Dunlap, which - as I understand - were often adapted from original works. (Our third copy is a separate picture book adaptation, clearly and properly separate.)

157scott_beeler
Jun. 28, 5:15pm

Stray large entry for Persepolis.
https://www.librarything.com/work/25967476/
https://www.librarything.com/work/2371284/

I know there is some confusion amongst the various Persepolis editions (in four parts, two parts, one part) and some ISBN/title mismatches, but this particular ISBN seems to be for the first-of-two parts and I think it should be combined in.

158prosfilaes
Jul. 20, 9:47pm

Please combine https://www.librarything.com/work/10496 and https://www.librarything.com/work/26435217 . They're both Art of Computer Programming, Volume 1: Fundamental Algorithms, and the largest LT edition in both works is the Third Edition of the book.

159jasbro
Jul. 21, 11:53am

160al.vick
Jul. 21, 12:29pm

After removing the one edition that was slaughter house five and player piano, it looks like these two books are both simply slaughter house five:
https://www.librarything.com/work/816613
https://www.librarything.com/work/21629606

Unless someone knows something I don't...

161jasbro
Jul. 21, 12:58pm

>160 al.vick: You just HAD to pick the edition with 200 and ONE member records, didn't you? :)

What I want to know is how Coming of Age in Mississippi got caught in the mix with Slaughterhouse-Five. (Probably a ratty-data ISBN.)

162al.vick
Jul. 21, 1:18pm

yep. I saw it was 201 members lol.

163al.vick
Jul. 21, 1:18pm

>161 jasbro: yep, I noticed the 201 members. lol.

164scott_beeler
Aug. 2, 1:45pm

I was cleaning Shel Silverstein's page and separated out expanded "special editions" of his collection "Where the Sidewalk Ends" which have additional poems added to the original edition. This is equivalent to how the special editions of "A Light in the Attic" and "Falling Up" are already handled on LT.

However, I did it in a couple passes because there were so many entries for each version, and I ended up with two "special edition" works which are each over 200 copies. Could somebody please combine:
https://www.librarything.com/work/26874583
https://www.librarything.com/work/26874617

For reference the original shorter edition (not to be combined here) is:
https://www.librarything.com/work/1833

165r.orrison
Aug. 2, 6:13pm

167jasbro
Aug. 6, 1:06pm

>166 RobertHay: Done; thanks.

168Seayla2020
Aug. 18, 9:03am

https://www.librarything.com/work/26945164/summary Chronicles of Narnia (all books) separated from single edition (Voyager)
https://www.librarything.com/work/6945753 (all books)

169jasbro
Aug. 19, 12:29pm

>168 Seayla2020: Done; thanks!

170RobertHay
Aug. 19, 10:59pm

The Penguin Classics version of Moby Dick appears as an edition in the main entry for Moby Dick but also oddly under Graphic Classics: Moby Dick. Same ISBN, 0142437247, appears as editions for both. The two should be combined.
https://www.librarything.com/work/5803747/summary/204703805
https://www.librarything.com/work/15540

171MarthaJeanne
Bearbeitet: Aug. 20, 2:43am

>170 RobertHay: Those two should NOT be combined. Your copy should be moved to the other work. I have now done that. Your copy is now at https://www.librarything.com/work/15540/204703805

173jasbro
Aug. 20, 1:23pm

175RobertHay
Aug. 21, 1:05am

>171 MarthaJeanne: Thanks, I see the issue now. There is an edition called Graphic Classics that is clearly a different book, retold and illustrated. The amazon listing is here:
https://www.amazon.com/Moby-Graphic-Classics-Sophie-Furse/dp/0764134922
But the editions shown under the Graphic Classic entry on this site seem to show books with secondary author Tom Quirk (who did notes for the Penguin) and have ISBN 0142437247, the Penguin ISBN. I assume that's why when I scanned my book it went under the Graphic Classic instead of the main listing. So I do think that some of the editions listed under Graphic Classics should probably go under the main one instead, but I don't know how to go about sorting it out.

176MarthaJeanne
Bearbeitet: Aug. 21, 2:50am

I have just separated all the editions out that don't say Graphic Classics. I put in a work relationship. I removed Tom Quirk, as whoever put that in obviously had the wrong book. (He was also listed as 'all editions'!)

But I am not going to get involved in trying to sort out all the various badly entered versions of Moby Dick.

177jasbro
Aug. 21, 5:21pm

178Seayla2020
Bearbeitet: Aug. 26, 4:19pm

Please combine
https://www.librarything.com/work/25223092/ (the reviews appear to be before the true book was released in 2020. that supports combining with the draft version)
https://www.librarything.com/work/7110725 draft version

180MarthaJeanne
Bearbeitet: Sept. 18, 8:15am

Diese Nachricht wurde vom Autor gelöscht.

181jasbro
Sept. 18, 3:52pm

>179 leselotte: I'm reluctant to combine these works, at least in part because we have three copies of our own, and I'm unsure how they differ. (Without limitation, one's clearly abridged, as it only contains three of four voyages; another is part of a larger anthology; the third appears to be the original, complete work in its own right - unless, of course, it's not.) Regardless, our three copies are separated on distinct grounds, but I don't know which of these (or other) considerations apply to the separations you've identified. Given my experience of this and other often-reprinted "classics," I'll defer to someone who has better knowledge of the editions to be combined, and maybe of some other editions in particular to be further separate and distinguished.

182claytonhowl
Sept. 29, 11:18pm


https://www.librarything.com/work/26625359
https://www.librarything.com/work/15675675

both appear on the LGBTQ genre page, and seem to be duplicates.

183jasbro
Bearbeitet: Sept. 30, 1:04pm

>182 claytonhowl: Done; thanks for the lead.

ETA: Having now combined them, I see that ISBN 0545812577 for George by Alex Gino sometimes carries the title Melissa's Story also or instead; but that title doesn't look to be a work in its own right. Does anyone out in LibraryThingLand have insight on this usage? Thanks again ...

184MarthaJeanne
Bearbeitet: Sept. 30, 1:32pm

http://www.alexgino.com/melissa/

The author prefers the title Melissa's Story.

It does seem a bit weird for a book about a boy who 'knows she's not a boy. She knows she's a girl.' to use the boy's name as the title.

185Seayla2020
Okt. 10, 10:32am

FYI msg 178 is still incomplete

186SimoneA
Okt. 11, 9:55am

There are some rogue editions of Little Women:
- Main work: https://www.librarything.com/work/2770499
- Rogue 1: https://www.librarything.com/work/24061684/editions
- Rogue 2: https://www.librarything.com/work/25794791/editions

Thanks in advance!

187jasbro
Bearbeitet: Okt. 11, 11:48am

189jasbro
Okt. 16, 6:57pm