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How to reclassify a book to another work

1Stilgar_Dragonclaw
Jul. 4, 2020, 6:23 pm

Hi,
I hope I can ask this question.

I discovered that the language version of book is assigned to the wrong original work. Would anyone advise on how to move metadata to the correct work without deleting the entire record? It's a lot of metadata.

More precisely, the Czech edition (the first part of the series) was added to the original omnibus work.
However, the omnibus has not been issued in Czech (yet).

Then the second and third parts of the Czech series were both added to the work of the first part of the original series. It's definitely a mess.

czech book #1: Ravenor ISBN: 9788073323738
https://www.librarything.com/work/8267797/book/185637483

czech book #2: Ravenor: návrat ISBN: 9788073323844
https://www.librarything.com/work/75761/book/185637489

czech book #3: Ravenor: odpadlík ISBN: 9788073323974
https://www.librarything.com/work/75761/book/185637498

english work book #1: Ravenor
https://www.librarything.com/work/75761

english work book #2: Ravenor Returned
https://www.librarything.com/work/587932

english work book #3: Ravenor Rogue
https://www.librarything.com/work/3299603

Current status:
czech book #1 -> english work omnibus (#1-#2-#3)
czech book #2 -> english work book #1
czech book #3 -> english work book #1

Corrected status:
czech book #1 -> english work book #1
czech book #2 -> english work book #2
czech book #3 -> english work book #3

Thanks for the info.

2MarthaJeanne
Jul. 4, 2020, 9:33 pm

Deleting the book and reentering it will not help. The various editions need to be separated and recombined. It is the middle of the night here. If noone has fixed it by morning I will try to fix it.

3Stilgar_Dragonclaw
Jul. 5, 2020, 8:29 am

I also noticed that when I add the Czech edition to the Czech series (I hope that language series can be created. The Czech series is a subset of the original series, because it does not contain all the parts of the original series (yet).), the cover of the original edition is displayed in the series overview. Logically, the cover of the Czech edition should be visible instead of the original cover. After clicking on hypertext of the book page, I will see the Czech edition of the book. Is this an error or a feature? On the other hand, when I want to visit the page of the original edition, I can't, because I see the Czech edition (still). The work has its own url and the specific edition is displayed according to what formula?

I also noticed that when editing the metadata of a specific edition, I can enter a field for Barcode, but it is no longer possible to fill in the EAN field. The field is not active for insertion.

Would it be possible to set the Czech edition (issue of books) to have only a Czech series? (# 1 - Polaris, 2017), because the original series contains information about the release of the original edition (work) (# 1 - The Black Library, 2002) and it is then misleading. The same Czech edition (book) contains information about the edition (publisher series?) of the original publisher. In this case, the Black Library. But the publisher of the Czech edition is Polaris. And Polaris has its own edition (publisher series or group of series or series of series). In this case, it's a Warhammer 40,000. I hope you understand what I mean.

What is the usage / custom in that case?

Shouldn't the Czech edition be separated?

Thx for info.

4MarthaJeanne
Bearbeitet: Jul. 5, 2020, 8:58 am

>1 Stilgar_Dragonclaw: The first one seems to have been fixed. I have fixed the other two.

The EAN field has never been active for editing. It is only filled when a book is entered from a source.

The Czech translations should be combined with the English originals.

Series are in the process of being redone. Hopefully someone who has been following that discussion will respond to your questions about that.

5Stilgar_Dragonclaw
Jul. 5, 2020, 2:40 pm

The other two parts are already well associated. I can add more metadata for the Czech edition.

Thx.

We will hope that the admins will see it. It's good that it's being solved.

Series should be associated with specific release versions (edition).
German books will have their German series, French books will have a French series, etc.
The omnibus should be sideways when it represents a series. Numerous series (20+ books) have several Omnibuses (one omnibus generally contains 3 books + some short stories or bonuses). These omnibuses could have their own series.

6spiphany
Jul. 7, 2020, 1:05 pm

The series pages do not distinguish between editions of books. I believe the cover that is displayed on the series page is the most popular one for each work.

The old series system had separate series for each language, which resulted in a lot of duplication. In the new (current) series system, a single series should be used for all languages,** unless there is a compelling reason not to (i.e., sometimes a series is numbered differently in different countries or books are split into multiple volumes). You can, however, add the name for the series in your language.

Publication dates of books can be listed in common knowledge. If the entries in a series are numbered, there is (as far as I know) no reason to additionally list publication dates on the series page. I'm not familiar with the Warhammer books and I don't know the logic behind including the publication dates there (it seems confusing to me).

It is possible to create "groups" within a series. This is often done for omnibus editions.
Something like the Valdemar universe may help give you a sense of how users have been structuring the listings for complex series which contain multiple subseries.

There's a blog post here: https://blog.librarything.com/main/2020/06/series-gets-a-revamp/ and the main discussion of the series system is here: https://www.librarything.com/topic/321038

** LibraryThing also has something called "publisher series", which are language specific, but I don't think they apply in this case. A publisher series is generally a group of unrelated books by various authors that a publisher has decided to put a shared label on ("Modern Classics", "Swiss Literature" or whatever) because they have some theme or topic in common.