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Books not found in Libraries where they reside

1johninvienna
Aug. 28, 2022, 9:10 pm

For several days I have been having more and more troubles finding books in LIBRARIES (which are still accessable) where according to WorldCat they are residing.
Indeed one can from WorldCat access the library and find the book. However selecting the library under "SEARCH WHERE" and inserting the title brings up a "No Results Found".
This often happens (God or Allah only knows why) so I enter the author. Still no results

Book:
Guide du visiteur au Musée de Boulaq
Author:
Gaston Maspero
Date:
1883

Entry in Cornell Library:
Guide du visiteur musée de Boulaq 1883 Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
BOOK NOT FOUND VIA LIBRARY THING

Entry in John Hopkins Libraries
Guide du visiteur au Musée de Boulaq Book , Print in French
Bookmark par Gaston Maspero. 1883. Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
BOOK NOT FOUND VIA LIBRARY THING

Entry in Smithsonian Libraries Catalog
Guide du visiteur au Musee de Boulaq. / Par Gaston Maspero
BOOK NOT FOUND VIA LIBRARY THING

Several more libraries were tried, all possessing this work (its a standard) but none found via LibraryThing. Also in all Gaston Maspero was used - also no "FINDS".

ARE WE SUPPOSE TO ONLY USE AMAZON OR ENTER BOOKS MANUALLY.
This is not such a great problem, but I was always prowd to find my books in reputable libraries.

ARE OTHERS HAVING PROBLEMS ???

Frustrated in Vienna
John Douglas Marshall

2rosalita
Aug. 28, 2022, 9:16 pm

The organization that owns WorldCat, OCLC, recently "updated" the website. Among the changes is that only libraries who pay them a subscription fee will be shown to users who search for books. You can read more here: https://www.oclc.org/en/news/releases/2022/20220824-reimagined-worldcatorg-offer...

Obviously this is an extremely unfriendly change for users who want to find which libraries hold a particular book because few public libraries are likely to pay for the listing when they already pay OCLC for cataloguing data, but that's the world we're living in these days.

3johninvienna
Aug. 28, 2022, 9:34 pm

The plot thickins!
I went to the Metropolitan Museum of Art - THOMAS J WATSON LIBRARY which LibraryThing accesses.
Since Gaston Maspero is a major writer for ancient Egypt and since the Metropolitan has a fantastic collection (like Vienna, Paris and Turin) I searched for him in their catalogue.

BOOKS FOUND - the first 26 are given - the library has many more. The book I was searching for is number 26!
The Libarary lists 71 (seventy one) books by this author

L'archéologie égyptienne
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
Paris, 1887

Art in Egypt
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
New York, 1912

Bibliothèque égyptologique : comprenant les œuvres des Egyptologues français
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
Paris, 1893-

Champollion; sein leben und sein werk, mit einen titelbild, einer tafel und 19 in den text gedruckte
Hartleben, Hermine
Berlin: Weidmann, 1906

Chansons populaires recueillies dans la haute-Egypte de 1900 à 1914 pendant les inspections du Serv
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.

Études égyptiennes
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
Paris, 1883-


Les contes populaires de l'Égypte ancienne / traduits et commentés par G. Maspero
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
Paris : J. Maisonneuve, 1889

The dawn of civilization : Egypt and Chaldæa / by Gaston Maspero ; edited by A.H. Sayce ; translate
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
London : Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, 1910

The dawn of civilization : Egypt and Chaldaea / Edited by A. H. Sayce ; translated by M.L. McClure
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
New York, 1894

Documents sur l'état ancien des monuments / par G. Maspero et P. Lacau
Le Caire : Imprimerie de l'Institute français d'archéologie orientale, 1911-1920

Du genre épistolaire chez les Égyptiens de l'époque pharaonique
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
Paris : A. Franck, 1872

Egypt : ancient sites and modern scenes / tr. by Elizabeth Lee
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
London : T.F. Unwin, 1910

L'Égypte : Alexandrie et Le Caire / tr. de Gaston Maspero
Ebers, Georg, 1837-1898.
Paris, 1880

L'Égypte : du Caire à Philæ / tr. de Gaston Maspero
Ebers, Georg, 1837-1898.
Paris, 1881

Egyptian archaeology / translated from the French by Amelia B. Edwards
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
New York : G. P. Putman's Sons, 1887

Egyptian art : Studies / Translated by Elizabeth Lee
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
New York : Appleton & co., 1913
Available Online:

Une enquête judiciare à Thèbes au temps de la XXe dynastie : étude sur la papyrus Abbott
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
Paris : Imprimerie nationale, 1871

Les enseignements d'Amenemhaît 1er à son fils Sanouasrît 1er / transcrits et publiés par Gaston
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
Le Caire : Impr. de L'Institut français d'archéologie orientale, 1914

Essais sur l'art égyptien
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
Paris : E. Guilmoto 1912

Études égyptiennes
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
Paris, 1883-

Führer durch das Agyptische Museum zu Kairo / deutsche Bearbeitung von Günther Roeder
Matḥaf al-Miṣrī.
Kairo: Diemer, Finck & Baylaender, 1912

Geschichte der Kunst in Ägypten
Maspero, G. (Gaston), 1846-1916.
Stuttgart : J. Hoffmann, 1925


Guide / by G. Maspero ; translated by J.E. and A.A. Quibell
Matḥaf al-Miṣrī.
Cairo, 1903


Guide / by G. Maspero ; tr. by J.E. Quibell and A.A. Quibell
Matḥaf al-Miṣrī.
Cairo, 1910

Guide ... / par G. Maspero
Matḥaf al-Miṣrī.
Le Caire, 1915
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Guide du visiteur au Musée de Boulaq / par Gaston Maspero
Matḥaf al-Miṣrī.
Boulaq, 1883
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The book is not found, the author G. Maspero is not found, the author Gaston Maspero is not found, the author Maspero, Gaston is not found.
AND
No results found for "Maspero, G. (Gaston)

A BIG NOTHING!

More frustrated in Vienna
John



4davidgn
Aug. 28, 2022, 9:38 pm

>1 johninvienna: You're not the only one. ccatalfo is working on something that may help. We should be hearing soon.

5johninvienna
Aug. 28, 2022, 9:39 pm

>rosalita

A misunderstanding. I have no problems with the WorldCat. This books are shown there, but they are not found in LibraryThing with that "SEARCH" Library.
I am also unhappy with the new WorldCat layouts, but that is another story!


6rosalita
Aug. 28, 2022, 10:25 pm

>5 johninvienna: Thanks for clarifying — I read your initial post too quickly. I'm glad you found the book you were looking for.

7kristilabrie
Aug. 29, 2022, 8:54 am

I've alerted ccatalfo of this and he'll be looking, thanks for your patience in the meantime!

8.mau.
Aug. 29, 2022, 9:33 am

>2 rosalita: :-( (even if it was not related with the problem of the original poster)

9zetetic23
Aug. 29, 2022, 5:11 pm

Same issue, more examples if it helps:

9781760897048 - Is in the collection of the NLA and SWIFT but can't find through add books:
NLA - https://nla.gov.au/nla.cat-vn8545771
SWIFT - https://libsvic.org.au/client/en_AU/default/search/results?qu=9781760897048&...

10conceptDawg
Aug. 29, 2022, 5:17 pm

Chris is working on this issue but some supporting software libraries need to be updated before he can roll out the fix. He's on it but I can't give you a timeline quite yet.

11davidgn
Bearbeitet: Aug. 29, 2022, 6:51 pm

Worth noting here that the National Library of New Zealand returns different sets of results depending on whether the "ti" limiter is set or not. Interestingly, it returns more results when it *is* set. I haven't tried this more widely, but the finding may be of diagnostic value. (Note: University of Canberra, James Cook University, and University of Queensland have same issue, but with opposite results, at least in backend. Haven't tested in production).

12davidgn
Bearbeitet: Aug. 29, 2022, 5:51 pm

>2 rosalita: As I understand it, they're not removing the non-paying libraries' results entirely, but they are demoting them and no longer linking to their results. Still a major and intentional annoyance and money-grab.

13ccatalfo
Mrz. 10, 2023, 1:43 pm

>9 zetetic23: HHm. I'm seeing SWIFT return results now, but not NLA.

14ccatalfo
Mrz. 10, 2023, 1:48 pm

>9 zetetic23: NLA might require some backend work to see what's happening behind the scenes.