Bundle theory of the "self"

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1modalursine
Nov. 11, 2009, 2:40 pm

Call this "newbie question number 2":

Reading Susan Blackmore's "Consciousness: A Very Short Introduction" (Oxford ) I came across the "Bundle" theory of the self.

The short form, as I understand it, (howzat for weasle words) is that our seemingly continuous and uniform self, may not in fact be what it seems. It may be, that whatever mysterious process creates our experience of ourself, our ability to feel and to have "qualia", doesnt just happen once and then there we are for as long as we live, but may happen "all the time". Each time, some as yet mysterious neuronal mechanism creates a sentience; but, and here's the tricksy bit, that sentience, because it has access to all our memories, thinks its been here continuously, wherease, in point of fact, its a "new boy", just created, and soon to be replaced by the next "new boy" when the neuronal mechanism moves on. A sentience is created, thinks it has "always" been here, does something (which gets added to the running memory), then goes away.

Later, a new sentience is generated, and follows the same path, ...thinks its always been here, does what it does, and .... Oy! Head hurts now.

At any given moment, I'm "me" (so who else would I be?) , but I'm not the same "me" that was around last week or last hour. Maybe the lifetime of any of the successive "me's" is only milliseconds?

It seems to be fraught with implications, but is it really? Even if we were "continuous", as we feel ourselves to be, doesnt the passage of time (we can only feel and act in the knife-edge present) have the same effect?

Color me bewildered.

2MrTomorrow
Sept. 6, 2010, 1:26 am

Hehe! The way you interpreted it is like Zeno's movement paradox applied to being: "being can become impossible if our selves are recursively divided into smaller pieces". Slices of selves seeming to move through slices of time! I think that all those "me's" together merge into something miraculous like how a bunch of water molecules, made up of boring bits of gas, can bundle together into a gnashing storm cloud.

We retain parts of our brain from childhood, so not all of our physical parts are replaced. If those parts was taken out, would the bundle crumble?

3Jesse_wiedinmyer
Sept. 6, 2010, 1:30 am

Isn't there some holographic theory of consciousness?

4AtticWindow
Dez. 22, 2010, 12:24 pm

Can't you say that, in addition to memory, or perhaps as a function of it, there is a causal chain linking each bit of qualia? As in, I couldn't have my exact current experience without the experiences that preceded it since they contributed to the bodily movements that led me to this point through motivations, repulsions, etc. Further, my current experience is fit into the context of my memory, so it is partly shaped by those memories of past experiences. So, there is a causal connection between each bit of qualia, or moment of sentience, and this would seem to glue the self together, so to speak. Since there is no danger of a direct causal link between our qualia and anything outside our bodies (since our bodies must always act as a medium, unless you believe is psychic powers XD), there is no danger of expanding the self beyond our mind and bodies. This is just the answer that immediately occurs to me, so there could be some fundamental flaws in my reasoning that I'm missing.