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Lysis von Plato,
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No answer is given in the Lysis to the question, 'What is Friendship?' any more than in the Charmides to the question, 'What is Temperance?' There are several resemblances in the two Dialogues: the same youthfulness and sense of beauty pervades both of them; they are alike rich in the description of Greek life. The question is again raised of the relation of knowledge to virtue and good, which also recurs in the Laches; and Socrates appears again as the elder friend of the two boys, Lysis and Menexenus. In the Charmides, as also in the Laches, he is described as middle-aged; in the Lysis he is advanced in years.… (mehr)
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Elogiar no chaveco é gabar-se do Tanuki não capturado, como diz o ditado japonês, é pior que contar vantagem, porque para a pessoa errada, como se ela já fosse merecedora do elogio, antes da (dupla) captura (de um para o outro). Mas Sócrates fala de amizade de modo a envolver Lysis na aporia, na busca pelo conhecimento que caracteriza os amantes do mesmo. E se o conteúdo total do que é amizade ou amor, de igual para igual ou de não igual para igual, torna-se confuso, o enredar no interesse pela discussão é o modo sempre correto de conversar com os jovens mancebos (em meio ao pugilismo). ( )
  henrique_iwao | Aug 30, 2022 |
Plato’s Dialogues famously represent the earliest serious inquiry written into universal human problems that plague us still. This work is not usually included in those major works though its format is still of a dialogue. Many scholars do not find that this inquiry into friendship deserves a serious place, likely a reflection of the place friendship holds in our culture. Or it could be because this work concludes that friendship is ultimately undefinable, yet people still universally consider other acquaintances to be friends.

What is a friend? This dialogue takes many attempts at that question. For instance, Socrates, the main speaker in the dialogue, debates whether friendships are based on having things in common. However, he notes that those who are bad do not form friendships with others who are bad. This is presumably so because they do not trust each other. Therefore, common traits do not necessitate and are not the same thing as friendship.

Socrates also engages the idea that friendships are instrumental – that is, they facilitate transfer of something good, as in a doctor to a sick patient. However, he soon finds himself arguing that those who are most wise and most good do not need friendships because they do not have need of others’ instrumental skills. Although Aristotle also takes up this argument, human experience shows that friendship is a universal human trait among the best among us.

So Plato leaves us with a mystery. Still as with most inquiries, we are wiser to have intellectually travelled down the road of the questions. According to this view, we humans like friends, but we do not understand fully what that means. Next time someone tightly parses categorical differences between words like acquaintance and friend, you might just want to call her/his bluff. If Plato and Socrates can’t figure it out, perhaps neither can they. ( )
  scottjpearson | Oct 11, 2020 |
Another solid dialogue. ( )
  DanielSTJ | Dec 17, 2018 |
Cu un eseu despre intelesul grec al dragostei de oameni si lucruri, de Constantin Noica
  athaulf | Jan 8, 2014 |
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No answer is given in the Lysis to the question, 'What is Friendship?' any more than in the Charmides to the question, 'What is Temperance?' There are several resemblances in the two Dialogues: the same youthfulness and sense of beauty pervades both of them; they are alike rich in the description of Greek life. The question is again raised of the relation of knowledge to virtue and good, which also recurs in the Laches; and Socrates appears again as the elder friend of the two boys, Lysis and Menexenus. In the Charmides, as also in the Laches, he is described as middle-aged; in the Lysis he is advanced in years.

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