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Krieg der Klone (2005)

von John Scalzi

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Reihen: Old Man's War (1)

MitgliederRezensionenBeliebtheitDurchschnittliche BewertungDiskussionen / Diskussionen
7,321362945 (4.05)3 / 459
John Perry did two things on his 75th birthday. First he visited his wife's grave. Then he joined the army. The good news is that humanity finally made it into interstellar space. The bad news is that planets fit to live on are scarce--and alien races willing to fight us for them are common. So: we fight. To defend Earth, and to stake our own claim to planetary real estate. Far from Earth, the war has been going on for decades: brutal, bloody, unyielding. Earth itself is a backwater. The bulk of humanity's resources are in the hands of the Colonial Defense Force. Everybody knows that when you reach retirement age, you can join the CDF. They don't want young people; they want people who carry the knowledge and skills of decades of living. You'll be taken off Earth and never allowed to return. You'll serve two years at the front. And if you survive, you'll be given a generous homestead stake of your own, on one of our hard-won colony planets. John Perry is taking that deal. He has only the vaguest idea what to expect. Because the actual fight, light-years from home, is far, far harder than he can imagine--and what he will become is far stranger. Old Man's War Series #1Old Man's War #2The Ghost Brigades #3The Last Colony #4Zoe's Tale #5The Human Division #6The End of All Things Short fiction: "After the Coup" Other Tor Books The Android's Dream Agent to the Stars Your Hate Mail Will Be Graded Fuzzy Nation Redshirts Lock In The Collapsing Empire (forthcoming)… (mehr)
  1. 173
    Das große Spiel von Orson Scott Card (ohdio, jlynno84)
    ohdio: This book contains a lot of action, while still maintaining a nice human element.
  2. 162
    Starship Troopers von Robert A. Heinlein (goodiegoodie, jlynno84)
  3. 110
    Der Ewige Krieg von Joe Haldeman (JulesJones)
    JulesJones: Two books which examine in different ways what happens to the recruits in an interstellar war who by the very nature of their service can never go back to their home culture.
  4. 80
    Young Miles (The Warrior's Apprentice / The Mountains of Mourning / The Vor Game) von Lois McMaster Bujold (jlynno84)
  5. 30
    Die letzte Kolonie: Roman von John Scalzi (Karlstar)
    Karlstar: John Scalzi introduces the universe of the Colonial Union in this book. Similar in feel to Starship Troopers, in many ways.
  6. 20
    Die Verschollene Flotte 1: Furchtlos von Jack Campbell (goodiegoodie, BruderBane)
  7. 31
    Armor von John Steakley (goodiegoodie)
  8. 10
    Future War von Jack Dann (TomWaitsTables)
    TomWaitsTables: An anthology of stories in this vein.
  9. 10
    Weltraumkadetten von Robert A. Heinlein (JulesJones)
    JulesJones: The obvious Heinlein influence on Scalzi's "Old Man's War" is "Starship Troopers", but this also covers some of the same ground as Heinlein's YA "Space Cadet".
  10. 10
    Containment von Christian Cantrell (freddlerabbit)
  11. 00
    Expendable von James Alan Gardner (PhoenixFalls)
  12. 00
    Leviathan erwacht von James S. A. Corey (g33kgrrl)
  13. 00
    Die Verbannung. Die Cobra-Dynastie 01 von Timothy Zahn (PhoenixFalls)
  14. 00
    Kristallregen von Tobias S. Buckell (tcgardner)
  15. 00
    47 Echo von Shawn Kupfer (tottman)
    tottman: 47 Echo lacks the depth (and the universe-spanning scope) of Old Man's War, but the story and the fighting are both quite enjoyable. I won't say it's nearly as good as Old Man's War, but it is a quick, fun enjoyable read. And there's a lot of potential from this author I hope to see come out in future books.… (mehr)
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    Grease Monkey von Tim Eldred (goodiegoodie)
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***Directly after finishing the story***
So here's the thing: I avoid books written by light-skinned men. Sometimes I do this with intent and sometimes I don't.

Now I know that some people will have Opinions about this.

Come back to me with them after you can say that for the majority of your childhood you imagined yourself 3 shades lighter and with every eye colour except brown because in the genres you read not one main character looked like you did. It was only after being in your mid-twenties that that changed.

Ok? Cool.

The reason I do this is the language these men tend to use makes me feel not only excluded but actively so. In fact the reason I can read Tolkien is because his work doesn't have people like me but because of the time and place he wrote it you know that in his world we actually didn't really exist for him (I'm not really explaining this well but historians will probably get what I mean). So even though reading that is somewhat weird I can still enjoy it because it doesn't feel like it was intentionally done.

For more recent authors it does. 'The Old Guard' who wrote science fiction and fantasy in the sixties when social unrest was a thing but still couldn't imagine a world with people who didn't look like them. And authors who continue to do the same... That feels intentional.

I know nothing about John Scalzi. I assume he's older than me? Perhaps in his 50's? And I assume he's a light-skinned European-American. All things I tend to avoid. But anybody who writes a book that's inspired by Star Trek is someone I want to read. You would think I would've started with that book. And I still don't know why I started with this one. I didn't write it down. The cuteness of the size could be a factor.

I loved it. And there are so many reasons why but for me is the fact that the author wrote a book that acknowledged that other kinds of people exist. I don't need every kind of representation in my stories. I'm perfectly ok when light-skinned authors only write about light-skinned people. But in science fiction I expect more. I expect the acknowledgement that aliens exist and also different kinds of people.

Scalzi did this and it was done in a funny way. Not subtle but that made it better for me. More real.

Also I love romance in stories. And for me that aspect made this story so much better. Maybe because I identified way too much with his answer on what he missed the most.

Another thing I loved was that the story felt like an science fiction episode. It was fun, had great one-liners, there was loss, and action. Even the ending felt bittersweet.

I'm a bit mad that the rest of the series isn't available in the Tor Hardcover mini edition though. Seriously the collecter in me is crying. I annotated this edition because I thought I could do the same with the rest ( )
  Jonesy_now | Sep 24, 2021 |
It's solid space marine fare. It's fast-paced and full of interesting concepts. However, it also glamorizes war and celebrates colonialism, and the characters are pretty one-note. Well written but totally meh for me. ( )
  Zoes_Human | Aug 24, 2021 |
I did two things on my seventy-fifth birthday. I visited my wife’s grave. Then I joined the army.

Fascinating.

I think I put off reading Old Man's War for so long since I confused it in my head with Forever War. Having read the latter, I never considered reading the former. Other than some general themes of humanity fighting various aliens a non-standard military force, they're fairly different.

I really do like the central premise of story, that for the most part, humanity's armies in the universe are made from people who have already lived a full life back on Earth and decided to join the military in exchange for a chance at a few more years of healthy life. There's certainly a lot more to it than that (some I guessed and some I didn't), but it's a pretty cool premise and done well.

That being said, once we get past the first premise and initial training into the actual war--it's still a fairly solid scifi military action book, but it's not quite as ground breaking. If that's all there was to the book, I'd probably have rated it a bit lower.

That said, a rather solid book and well worth the read. And it turns out Scalzi has written a whole pile of other books, both in this series/universe and in others. I'm going to have to give a few more of those a try. ( )
  jpv0 | Jul 21, 2021 |
Harrow book club read. In the future men and women enlist in the military in their 70s. The hope is rejuvenated body. The reality is rather different.
I liked this as and idea and wanted to see how the story would develop and what other thought provoking ideas might emerge. But there were none. It became a rather predictable “war/Western” type of humans versus nasty aliens yarn.k ( )
  simbaandjessie | Jul 17, 2021 |
A solid good book with lots of sex, massacres and small squashed little aliens. ( )
  Pindarix | Jul 15, 2021 |

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AutorennameRolleArt des AutorsWerk?Status
John ScalziHauptautoralle Ausgabenberechnet
Chong, VincentUmschlagillustrationCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Dufris, WilliamErzählerCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Emerich, BernadetteÜbersetzerCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Giancola, DonatoUmschlagillustrationCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Harris, JohnUmschlagillustrationCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Hayden, Patrick NielsenHerausgeberCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Kempen, BernhardÜbersetzerCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
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. . . "There has never been a military in the entire history of the human race that has gone to war equipped with more than the least that it needs to fight its enemy. War is expensive. It costs money and it costs lives and no civilization has an infinite amount of either. So when you fight, you conserve. You use and equip only as much as you have to, never more."

He stared at us grimly. "Is any of this getting through? Do any of you understand what I'm trying to tell you? You don't have these shiny new bodies and pretty new weapons because we want to give you an unfair advantage. You have these bodies and weapons because they are the absolute minimum that will allow you to fight and survive out there. We don't want to give you these bodies, you dipshits. It's just that if we didn't, the human race would already be extinct."

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John Perry did two things on his 75th birthday. First he visited his wife's grave. Then he joined the army. The good news is that humanity finally made it into interstellar space. The bad news is that planets fit to live on are scarce--and alien races willing to fight us for them are common. So: we fight. To defend Earth, and to stake our own claim to planetary real estate. Far from Earth, the war has been going on for decades: brutal, bloody, unyielding. Earth itself is a backwater. The bulk of humanity's resources are in the hands of the Colonial Defense Force. Everybody knows that when you reach retirement age, you can join the CDF. They don't want young people; they want people who carry the knowledge and skills of decades of living. You'll be taken off Earth and never allowed to return. You'll serve two years at the front. And if you survive, you'll be given a generous homestead stake of your own, on one of our hard-won colony planets. John Perry is taking that deal. He has only the vaguest idea what to expect. Because the actual fight, light-years from home, is far, far harder than he can imagine--and what he will become is far stranger. Old Man's War Series #1Old Man's War #2The Ghost Brigades #3The Last Colony #4Zoe's Tale #5The Human Division #6The End of All Things Short fiction: "After the Coup" Other Tor Books The Android's Dream Agent to the Stars Your Hate Mail Will Be Graded Fuzzy Nation Redshirts Lock In The Collapsing Empire (forthcoming)

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