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Krieg der Klone (2005)

von John Scalzi

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Reihen: Old Man's War (1)

MitgliederRezensionenBeliebtheitDurchschnittliche BewertungDiskussionen / Diskussionen
7,616372946 (4.06)3 / 470
John Perry did two things on his 75th birthday. First he visited his wife's grave. Then he joined the army. The good news is that humanity finally made it into interstellar space. The bad news is that planets fit to live on are scarce--and alien races willing to fight us for them are common. So: we fight. To defend Earth, and to stake our own claim to planetary real estate. Far from Earth, the war has been going on for decades: brutal, bloody, unyielding. Earth itself is a backwater. The bulk of humanity's resources are in the hands of the Colonial Defense Force. Everybody knows that when you reach retirement age, you can join the CDF. They don't want young people; they want people who carry the knowledge and skills of decades of living. You'll be taken off Earth and never allowed to return. You'll serve two years at the front. And if you survive, you'll be given a generous homestead stake of your own, on one of our hard-won colony planets. John Perry is taking that deal. He has only the vaguest idea what to expect. Because the actual fight, light-years from home, is far, far harder than he can imagine--and what he will become is far stranger. Old Man's War Series #1Old Man's War #2The Ghost Brigades #3The Last Colony #4Zoe's Tale #5The Human Division #6The End of All Things Short fiction: "After the Coup" Other Tor Books The Android's Dream Agent to the Stars Your Hate Mail Will Be Graded Fuzzy Nation Redshirts Lock In The Collapsing Empire (forthcoming)… (mehr)
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  1. 173
    Das große Spiel von Orson Scott Card (ohdio, jlynno84)
    ohdio: This book contains a lot of action, while still maintaining a nice human element.
  2. 162
    Starship Troopers von Robert A. Heinlein (goodiegoodie, jlynno84)
  3. 110
    Der Ewige Krieg von Joe Haldeman (JulesJones)
    JulesJones: Two books which examine in different ways what happens to the recruits in an interstellar war who by the very nature of their service can never go back to their home culture.
  4. 80
    Young Miles (The Warrior's Apprentice / The Mountains of Mourning / The Vor Game) von Lois McMaster Bujold (jlynno84)
  5. 30
    Die letzte Kolonie: Roman von John Scalzi (Karlstar)
    Karlstar: John Scalzi introduces the universe of the Colonial Union in this book. Similar in feel to Starship Troopers, in many ways.
  6. 20
    Die Verschollene Flotte 1: Furchtlos von Jack Campbell (goodiegoodie, BruderBane)
  7. 31
    Armor von John Steakley (goodiegoodie)
  8. 10
    Future War von Jack Dann (TomWaitsTables)
    TomWaitsTables: An anthology of stories in this vein.
  9. 10
    Weltraumkadetten von Robert A. Heinlein (JulesJones)
    JulesJones: The obvious Heinlein influence on Scalzi's "Old Man's War" is "Starship Troopers", but this also covers some of the same ground as Heinlein's YA "Space Cadet".
  10. 10
    Containment von Christian Cantrell (freddlerabbit)
  11. 00
    Expendable von James Alan Gardner (PhoenixFalls)
  12. 00
    Leviathan erwacht von James S. A. Corey (g33kgrrl)
  13. 00
    Die Verbannung. Die Cobra-Dynastie 01 von Timothy Zahn (PhoenixFalls)
  14. 00
    Kristallregen von Tobias S. Buckell (tcgardner)
  15. 00
    47 Echo von Shawn Kupfer (tottman)
    tottman: 47 Echo lacks the depth (and the universe-spanning scope) of Old Man's War, but the story and the fighting are both quite enjoyable. I won't say it's nearly as good as Old Man's War, but it is a quick, fun enjoyable read. And there's a lot of potential from this author I hope to see come out in future books.… (mehr)
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    Grease Monkey von Tim Eldred (goodiegoodie)
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How can one not like a book that starts with "John Perry did two things on his 75th birthday. First he visited his wife's grave. Then he joined the army."

It didn't disappoint. Everything was fresh and unexpected for me. And I loved the literary style. Scalzi can write. He is witty and elegant even when he writes about such geeky stuff that would normally led you to expect much less subtlety. Reminds me of Heinlein's style, sometimes. ( )
  Faltiska | Apr 30, 2022 |
Fínasta vísindaskáldsaga. Aðalsöguhetjan skráir sig í nýlenduherinn 75 ára að aldri. Geimflotinn vill helst ekki ungt fólk í herþjónustu heldur eldra sem hefur reynslu. Ágætis húmor og pælingar um framtíðartækni. ( )
  SkuliSael | Apr 28, 2022 |
I kept looking for a climax. I kept expecting the story to coalesce. I kept expecting the meaningful and emotional events to happen in a timed structure that would reveal a pattern in what was going on. My expectations were silly.

When I was nearing the end of the novel, I remembered that Scalzi was attempting to write in the style of Heinlein when he wrote this. I remembered that he had been congratulated on multiple occasions for achieving that goal. And then I remembered the only Heinlein book I've ever read, [b:The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress|120273|The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress|Robert A. Heinlein|http://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1171822059s/120273.jpg|1048525]. I say again, my expectations were silly.

Once I abandoned them, I was able to look back on my reading and notice that I had enjoyed every minute of it. As a self-described grumpy old man, I related to John Perry, and cared about what he was going through as he adapted to his new life and new surroundings. When he got thrown across the mess hall by special forces, I couldn't stop myself from muttering, "Rut roh, Shaggy." I now intend to track down the sequels, devour them, and get them signed, in whichever order presents itself.

While I didn't have any problems putting the book down, I greatly enjoyed the ride. ( )
  dcrampton | Apr 20, 2022 |
A good book. I found it in a free library, took it home, and read it over a 5 hour period. Apparently I've also read Lock in, although don't remember it. It's a pretty exceptional debut novel (and he's gone on to show how good he is).

It's hard to not compare it to Enders' game. Bringing in older protagonists is a nice touch since they're so well developed. And the world-building is very cool. But the 2nd and 3rd book of the Ender trilogy is incomparable to the first (and I read somewhere that Scott Card wrote Enders' game as a way of preluding the 2nd/3rd). I hope future Old Man's War books also treat aliens with such compassion, as it hinted he would.

I don't know what I expected from the ending but it was a little saccharine and a little too fast. It seemed to be setting up future books to focus in on the Ghost Bridages, although I admit I find them a lot less interesting than the aliens.

And although it was acknowledged, the squashing and killing of other species I don't think was treated that well. If everyone who feels guilt is just following orders until they climb the ranks, and all of them die, then no one will ever question it ( )
  Lorem | Apr 18, 2022 |
Opened well and had some okay ideas, but ultimately I found this uninvolving, and by the end I just want it to be over. ( )
  whatmeworry | Apr 9, 2022 |

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AutorennameRolleArt des AutorsWerk?Status
John ScalziHauptautoralle Ausgabenberechnet
Chong, VincentUmschlagillustrationCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Dufris, WilliamErzählerCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Emerich, BernadetteÜbersetzerCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Giancola, DonatoUmschlagillustrationCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Harris, JohnUmschlagillustrationCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Hayden, Patrick NielsenHerausgeberCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Kempen, BernhardÜbersetzerCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
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He stared at us grimly. "Is any of this getting through? Do any of you understand what I'm trying to tell you? You don't have these shiny new bodies and pretty new weapons because we want to give you an unfair advantage. You have these bodies and weapons because they are the absolute minimum that will allow you to fight and survive out there. We don't want to give you these bodies, you dipshits. It's just that if we didn't, the human race would already be extinct."

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John Perry did two things on his 75th birthday. First he visited his wife's grave. Then he joined the army. The good news is that humanity finally made it into interstellar space. The bad news is that planets fit to live on are scarce--and alien races willing to fight us for them are common. So: we fight. To defend Earth, and to stake our own claim to planetary real estate. Far from Earth, the war has been going on for decades: brutal, bloody, unyielding. Earth itself is a backwater. The bulk of humanity's resources are in the hands of the Colonial Defense Force. Everybody knows that when you reach retirement age, you can join the CDF. They don't want young people; they want people who carry the knowledge and skills of decades of living. You'll be taken off Earth and never allowed to return. You'll serve two years at the front. And if you survive, you'll be given a generous homestead stake of your own, on one of our hard-won colony planets. John Perry is taking that deal. He has only the vaguest idea what to expect. Because the actual fight, light-years from home, is far, far harder than he can imagine--and what he will become is far stranger. Old Man's War Series #1Old Man's War #2The Ghost Brigades #3The Last Colony #4Zoe's Tale #5The Human Division #6The End of All Things Short fiction: "After the Coup" Other Tor Books The Android's Dream Agent to the Stars Your Hate Mail Will Be Graded Fuzzy Nation Redshirts Lock In The Collapsing Empire (forthcoming)

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