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Die Stadt & die Stadt (2009)

von China Miéville

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5,4413281,508 (3.98)1 / 654
Zwei Städte (JVA) geeint und doch entzweit. Die Bewohner werden erzogen, einander nicht zu sehen. Das unerlaubte Betreten der jeweils andere Stadt zieht schwerste Strafen nach sich. Ein ganz alltägliches Szenario für Kommissar Borlú. Eines Tages wird in Borlús Stadt eine Frauenleiche gefunden. Der Mord stellt ihn vor ein Rätsel. Denn die Tote hätte niemals in seiner Stadt auftauchen dürfen… (mehr)
  1. 160
    Die Vereinigung jiddischer Polizisten von Michael Chabon (grizzly.anderson, kaipakartik)
    grizzly.anderson: Both are police procedural mysteries set in slightly alternate worlds.
    kaipakartik: Both are detective tales in alternate settings
  2. 122
    Die unsichtbaren Städte von Italo Calvino (snarkhunt)
    snarkhunt: Calvino's book is a travelogue of impossible societies while China's book is a sweet little noir stuck in the middle of one.
  3. 112
    Niemalsland: Roman von Neil Gaiman (ahstrick)
  4. 91
    Anathem von Neal Stephenson (chmod007, sturlington)
    chmod007: Both novels depict coexisting-but-dissociated societies — drastically foreign to the world we live in — but help us reflect on it.
  5. 70
    Finch von Jeff VanderMeer (ShelfMonkey)
  6. 60
    Un Lon Dun von China Miéville (heidialice)
    heidialice: May be an obvious recommendation, but these books cover a similar (very original) premise in very different ways. Un Lun Dun is for young teens, smaller in scope and message-heavy; The City & The City for adults, deals with complex themes and offers no easy answers. Both display Mieville's consummate skills and elegant humor.… (mehr)
  7. 60
    Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius [short story] von Jorge Luis Borges (bertilak)
  8. 61
    Geschichten aus Orsinien. Science Fiction Erzählungen aus einem erfundenen Land. von Ursula K. Le Guin (ed.pendragon)
    ed.pendragon: Le Guin's Orsinia may have been an inspiration for Mieville's mythical Orciny in The City and the City.
  9. 40
    Hav von Jan Morris (ed.pendragon)
    ed.pendragon: Miéville's The City and the City acknowledges Jan Morris as an influence on his fractured cities novel, and Morris' travel book novel Hav (fictional trips to a fictional state) is the most likely reference.
  10. 30
    Die Gabe von Naomi Alderman (charl08)
    charl08: Both books ask questions about what we take for granted in our everyday realtors..
  11. 20
    Book of the New Sun: Shadow and Claw Vol 1 (Fantasy Masterworks) von Gene Wolfe (LamontCranston)
    LamontCranston: In many of Wolfes works he writes like Mieville has in the first person of imagined lands, unlike Mieville his characters do not improbably stop to explain to themselves (and thus to the audience) what a term or reference means - the narrative provides enough information for the audience to figure it out themselves.… (mehr)
  12. 31
    Wächter der Nacht von Sergei Lukyanenko (julienne_preacher)
    julienne_preacher: Both books are about divided realities (and both books are awesome).
  13. 20
    Weisen der Welterzeugung von Nelson Goodman (sek_smith, sek_smith)
    sek_smith: Ways of World Making explains the cognitive processes that allow us to unsee and,thus, understand. The City & the City is a practical application of the concept, most rigorous and well weaved. Very entertaining fiction with plenty of meaning
    sek_smith: This is not a fiction book, but an essay on relativity applied to epistemology. For many interested in the psychological mechanisms at work in The city & the City, this is a good read.
  14. 31
    Stadt der Fremden von China Miéville (Anonymer Nutzer)
  15. 20
    Die New York-Trilogie von Paul Auster (Longshanks)
    Longshanks: Two books that expand the scope of detective fiction beyond the genre's traditional concerns and constraints, one existentially and one sociopolitically.
  16. 20
    The Other City von Michal Ajvaz (bunnygirl)
    bunnygirl: Czech novel about an alternate Prague; not mentioned as one of the influences for this novel, but perhaps going on a bit of the same (disputed?) territory
  17. 20
    Irrgarten des Todes von Philip K. Dick (AlanPoulter)
    AlanPoulter: Two tales of paranoia and murder set in very odd worlds that just get stranger....
  18. 20
    Biokrieg von Paolo Bacigalupi (sturlington)
  19. 31
    Wave without a Shore von C. J. Cherryh (reading_fox)
    reading_fox: Covers the same ground regarding visualising concepts.
  20. 20
    Die Freundlichen. Roman. von Melissa Scott (sandstone78)
    sandstone78: Similar themes of parallel societies.

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A detective novel in a wholly unfamiliar setting, two cities that occupy the same space. This fantasy has a great premise and it is a pleasure to read.. The Mystery of the crime is far outweighed by the mystery of the Breech, or even the mystery of how these peoples can coexist in such a precarious situation. Simply outstanding! ( )
  skid0612 | Dec 11, 2021 |
This is a fascinating book. Both a classic detective story and a fantasy, the latter not normally a genre I'm fond of. It's a page turner with several interesting characters. The writing is terrific, especially the way that the two cities, and the way they intersect, are described. Very visual, lots of fun to read. ( )
  meredk | Aug 1, 2021 |
Great premise: two cites (Beszel and Ul Qoma), with differing cultures and vibes occuping the same space. People living there must deal with their unusual reality, and avoid acknowledging their duality. The main character is Detective Borlu of the Extreme Crime Squad in Beszel who is investigating a murder of a young woman. She had been a bit of a maverick herself, researching the existence of yet another dimension, portrayed as a child's tale. As Borlu investigates and crosses over to Ul Qoma, he and we as readers are drawn further and further into politics, a bigger mystery and conspiracy. Creative and thought-provoking. ( )
  skipstern | Jul 11, 2021 |
A decent murder mystery with an interesting voice, set in a vaguely Easternish European locale where the major defining feature is that two nations exist right on top of each other. The conceit is actually a simple one, and sometimes gets a little over-emphasized as its fundamental concepts are reiterated by the narrator almost every other paragraph, but its novel worldbuilding concept is still used expertly. It has real influence on the plot, dictating what the problems are, how the detective is constrained in solving those problems, and how satisfying the solution is. A good mystery is driven less by the mechanics of the setting and more by all the ways the players try to outdo themselves by using those mechanics, and as a mystery I thought this was satisfying. There were twists and turns, revelations that were foreshadowed but subtly enough to evoke either surprise or a self-satisfied nod, and lively characters that all clashed with each other in engaging ways, all without tripping itself up.

While the science fictional elements are what a lot of people talk about when they talk about The City and The City, as an exercise in worldbuilding it really only provides just enough for the mystery to work, and that mystery is where the meat was. ( )
  bokai | Jul 6, 2021 |
The most interestingly boring book I have read.

The City and the City is the rare book to make a better movie than a book. The core conceit, the two cities laid on top of one another and existing in the same physical space, is intellectually interesting. Visually, it would make for some great CGI-based cinematices with 'unseeing' and the strange way two cultures try to aggressively ignore one another.

But China Mieville is today's Philip K. Dick. The book is philosophically interesting but the characters are dull, the conversations flat, and the noir crime novel buried within this philosophical puzzle has no energy. The characters sit lifeless on the page spouting mostly meaningless dialogue amidst lush backgrounds of imaginative environmental twists and turns. It seems cool but the actual story part of the story gets short shrift. I had to force myself to finish the book and, multiple times, it was the conduit for a quick nap.

The City and the City gets bonus points for being funky science fiction but almost no points as an actual crime novel. Rated: meh. ( )
  multiplexer | Jun 20, 2021 |
Subtly, almost casually, Miéville constructs a metaphor for modern life in which our habits of "unseeing" allow us to ignore that which does not directly affect our familiar lives. Yet he doesn't encourage us to understand his novel as a parable, rather as a police mystery dealing with extraordinary circumstances. The book is a fine, page-turning murder investigation in the tradition of Philip K Dick, gradually opening up to become something bigger and more significant than we originally suspected.
hinzugefügt von andyl | bearbeitenThe Guardian, Michael Moorcock (May 30, 2009)
 
Readers should shed their preconceptions and treat themselves to a highly original and gripping experience.The City & The City is still Urban Fantasy, yes, but don't look for elves on motorcycles or spell-casting cops. China Miéville has done something very different, new, and — oh yeah — weird.
hinzugefügt von PhoenixTerran | bearbeitenio9, Chris Hsiang (May 28, 2009)
 
The novel works best when Miéville trusts his storytelling instincts. I was immediately entranced by the premise of doppel cities and didn't need it explained at every turn.

At times, I appreciated the intellectual brilliance of "The City" more than I lost myself in it. Borlú seemed an archetype more than a fleshed-out character. That's OK. The real protagonists here are the mirror cities themselves, and the strange inner workings that make them, and their residents, tick.
 
Miéville’s achievement is at once remarkable and subtle. His overlapping cities take in an aspect of our own world—social conventions—wholesale. But by describing those conventions using conceptual tools borrowed from traditional “worldbuilding” fantasy, he heightens awareness of the unnoticed in our own lives. He doesn’t give us symbols. He gives us real life rendered with all the more clarity for its apparent weirdness.
 

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AutorennameRolleArt des AutorsWerk?Status
Miéville, ChinaHauptautoralle Ausgabenbestätigt
Bauche-Eppers, EvaÜbersetzerCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Drechsler, ArndtUmschlagillustrationCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Lee, JohnErzählerCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Mège, NathalieTraductionCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Mäkelä, J. PekkaÜbersetzerCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt
Nati, MaurizioÜbersetzerCo-Autoreinige Ausgabenbestätigt

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