The American artist Sarah Morris talks with the curator Hans Ulrich Obrist about her films and paintings, which explore buildings, cities and structures and centers of power. The focus of the conversation is her longtime interest in urban developments, architecture and architects like Philip Johnson, Mies van der Rohe, Robert Venturi and many others. Sarah Morris (born 1967) lives and works in New York and London. Since the mid-1990s, she has been making complex abstract paintings and films. These works, are derived from close inspection of architectural details combined with a critical sensitivity to the psychology of a city and its key protagonists. She showed her work in many solo exhibitions including Hamburger Bahnhof in Berlin (2001), Palais de Tokyo in Paris (2005) and MMK in Frankfurt (2009).