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Jenseits Des Lustprinzips (1920)

von Sigmund Freud

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Beyond the Pleasure Principleis Freud's most philosophical and speculative work, exploring profound questions of life and death, pleasure and pain. In it Freud introduces the fundamental concepts of the "repetition compulsion" and the "death drive," according to which a perverse, repetitive, self-destructive impulse opposes and even trumps the creative drive, or Eros. The work is one of Freud's most intensely debated, and raises important questions that have been discussed by philosophers and psychoanalysts since its first publication in 1920. The text is presented here in a contemporary new translation by Gregory C. Richter. Appendices trace the work's antecedents and the many responses to it, including texts by Plato, Friedrich Nietzsche, Melanie Klein, Herbert Marcuse, Jacques Derrida, and Judith Butler, among many others.… (mehr)
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I think people familiar only with the popular image of Freud would be surprised at the pains he takes to make sure his hypotheses are taken as provisional, speculative, in need of further study, etc. The interesting bit is the bridge he constructs from "folk" psychological phenomena that everyone will be familiar with to an assembly of 19th century chemical/hydraulic metaphors. ( )
  audient_void | Jan 6, 2024 |
Texto entrelaçado muito bem construído, primeiro apresentando um problema, relatando alguns casos, preparando o terreno para mostrar a necessidade de especular um princípio que complemente a situação e permita uma solução, para em seguida tecer comentários.

Há coisas que o princípio de prazer - a diminuição das tensões-excitações desprazerosas, não explicam. Princípio de realidade: renunciar ao prazer e tolerar o desprazer, adiar a satisfação para o bem maior da conservação. E então já há margem pra discordância. Mas e a neurose traumática? No caso de crianças e artistas, afetados passivamente por uma vivência desprazeirosa, a repetem como brincadeira ou arte; apossam-se assim da impressão imperiosa. Na clínica, o analista interpretava o que poderia ser trazido à tona e assim levar o paciente a capta-la e então dissolve-la. Mas não é tão simples lembrar do recalcado, e parece mais efetivo repeti-lo como vivência do que lembra-lo com distanciamento. Só que há desprazer nisso, e o princípio do prazer oferece resistência. Surge a hipótese do impulso como pressão para restabelecer um estado anterior das coisas orgânicas vivas, estado que teve de ser renunciado sob a influência de forças pertubadoras externas, expressão da inércia na vida orgânica. Hipótese do impulso de morte, os impulsos de autoconservação sendo parciais, a garantir a morte adequada, no seu tempo; os impulsos do eu provém da matéria inanimada e a ela querem voltar, enquanto os impulsos sexuais busção a fusão de células germinativas e a continuidade orgânica. ( )
  henrique_iwao | Aug 30, 2022 |
Behold one of Freud’s most over-determined navels. A piece of thought, exploration and theory that is yet to be pinned down and is a fertile seed to many theorists who came after and attempted to corral this confused yet beguiling psychical mechanism into their own works. A fount of seemingly never-ending creative inspiration for others.

While also being a frustrating 78 page read…

Been trying to come up with a review for this one for weeks and kept hitting some wall that I would be hard pressed not to attribute to some function of the pleasure principle / reality principle / death drive / jouissance.

Overtime / bonus chapter enjoyment through experience.

I know, I am rambling…
But this work doesn’t need to be summarized here.
My only desire is to express its effect on me…
As if one could say, “My *only* desire”…

It seems that every time I read Freud my brain is forced to read him on 4 or more parallel tracks that range over “what he’s trying to say” and “how he sometimes gets bogged down in trying to explain everything physiologically” yet “how even when that feels wrong there’s always still something interesting there so you have to parse it in real time” to “considering everything within the psychological and cultural context within which he was writing” yet still “separating that from the universal truths that he would still be living” while all the while being reminded of “what an amazing and brilliant explorer of a completely new realm” he was.

I’m reminded of Jacques Cousteau only if Jacques Cousteau had also basically DISCOVERED OCEANS before anyone else had thought to notice them.

Here’s the thing for me. Reading Freud is clearly frustrating because he was obviously on to something extraordinary and yet since he was the first one there he had to figure out from scratch how to even conceptualize, label and order it. I agree with others I’ve read that posit word choice might have been his biggest enemy. Pleasure principle. Reality principle. Death drive. Not only might these have been named better, but Freud himself often seemed mercurial in how he used his terms and would shift their meanings over time. I’m perfectly fine with Freud modifying and revising his concepts and theory over the years. But when that seems to happen within the limited pages of a short work it can be a bit difficult to lock on to a clear intended meaning.

Maybe that’s why his writings - and this work in particular - seem so ripe for interpretation and exploration...

I read BtPP right before reading Alenka Zupancic’s What IS Sex? (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36304803-what-is-sex) and I have to say it was a damn good match. Or maybe much of Lacanian studies revolve around this singular process/mechanism so that's not so surprising? I've now just started reading Seminar VII, and it’s with some feeling that the extension of this core theory will be expanded further.

Even with all the frustration and confusion it’s hard not to walk away from this book knowing in your gut that Freud was on to something. The words shift, the causes are many and over-determined, and yet the psychical actions that he describes feel too true and familiar to deny. Desire for homeostasis, judging future actions against some knowledge of possible pleasure or pain (comfort or discomfort), compulsive repetition (often of “seemingly” un-pleasureable acts), a basic obsession with and avoidance of the impossibility of existing, of being conscious yet cut off by a loss/gap back in a past you can’t remember yet always feel on the back of your shoulder. A desire to be inanimate if only to stop the desire machine…

This is the tool box for much that would follow... ( )
  23Goatboy23 | Jan 17, 2020 |
Beyond the Pleasure Principle is an extraordinary book, arguably one of the most important books ever written. Rather ashamed to admit this but I’ve never actually read Freud; given the amount of critiques, good and bad, that I’ve heard and read over the years, I decided it was time to read his work for myself. This book is really a short read that explores the “why” of our mind’s mechanics and his theory that we humans are guided by two instincts; the life instinct, Eros, which preserves all things, and the death instinct, served by the “pleasure principle” which seeks to return us to an inanimate state. This notion of the death instinct leads us to a most revolutionary theory-"The aim of all life is death". According to Feud, there is barely an aspect of life which is not exposed to the possibility of being harmed by its destructible force. Much of what Freud writes he himself admits is speculative yet the idea that there is a life and a death instinct in all organisms is certainly something that can be discussed on a deeper psychological level.

Beyond the Pleasure Principle, while short, is not an easy read, Freud sometimes packs too much information into each sentence. I frequently found myself wishing he would slow down and explain his theories in more detail, especially for those of us who have not studied psychology in any form. Being that this was one of his last texts, some of his earlier concepts seemed to be glossed over, making it difficult to understand, I would have benefited from a more detailed explanation in these areas. But, Freud is a fascinating writer, and it's interesting to read what he actually said compared to what I’ve heard about his theories.

**I received a complimentary advanced copy of this book from the publisher, Dover Publications and NetGalley in exchange for my honest review**
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Beyond the Pleasure Principleis Freud's most philosophical and speculative work, exploring profound questions of life and death, pleasure and pain. In it Freud introduces the fundamental concepts of the "repetition compulsion" and the "death drive," according to which a perverse, repetitive, self-destructive impulse opposes and even trumps the creative drive, or Eros. The work is one of Freud's most intensely debated, and raises important questions that have been discussed by philosophers and psychoanalysts since its first publication in 1920. The text is presented here in a contemporary new translation by Gregory C. Richter. Appendices trace the work's antecedents and the many responses to it, including texts by Plato, Friedrich Nietzsche, Melanie Klein, Herbert Marcuse, Jacques Derrida, and Judith Butler, among many others.

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