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1mvrdrk
How many of you keep up with 'current' Chinese (or Thai) pop culture?
Thinking about filial piety, one of my kid's current favorite songs by Jay Chou is 聽媽媽的話 (roughly: be obedient to mother). It's a sort of rap lullaby. It cracks me up because it strikes me as distinctly Chinese - the topic of obedience as filial behavior as popular rap music.
Hmm, youtube link to the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRvdfMKS2_w
Thinking about filial piety, one of my kid's current favorite songs by Jay Chou is 聽媽媽的話 (roughly: be obedient to mother). It's a sort of rap lullaby. It cracks me up because it strikes me as distinctly Chinese - the topic of obedience as filial behavior as popular rap music.
Hmm, youtube link to the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRvdfMKS2_w
2betterthanchocolate
I don't keep up with the pop music, but that's a fascinating artefact of contemporary Chinese culture, alright!
3belleyang
>1 mvrdrk: The last thing I listened to was the Chinese pop icon, Cui Jian, who was symbolic of Democracy Spring (1989). No, I've not followed the music scene.
4betterthanchocolate
Thanks for the link to Jay Chou. Well he is cute, though what vibrant young male isn't in his own way. Hehe!
With the right credentials, I imagine Canto-pop would offer up its myriad pleasures and stimulations. But not for me. Should I be sad?
With the right credentials, I imagine Canto-pop would offer up its myriad pleasures and stimulations. But not for me. Should I be sad?
5mvrdrk
At least back in the '80s, Canto-pop had a much stronger British/European influence, Mando-pop had a stronger Japanese and American influence to it.
Though I'm not such a nuanced listener, I suspect people can still hear the difference between Taiwan and HK based pop composers (independent of language), especially as Taiwan pop has started to integrate native Taiwanese music into the mix. I randomly pick up current Taiwan Mando-pop CDs because it helps my (and the kids) listening skills. I enjoy the music, though I am more a oldies and huangmei opera style pop listener. Sadly, I don't know much about what's coming out in China.
As for sad, it's only sad if you think you are missing out on something you want. Yes? :-) To be practically shallow about it, www.yesasia.com always has a list of the top 10 HK tunes and CDs. Korean rock/rap seems to be all the rage across Asia just now. Japanese rock/rap is popular in the USA teen crowd on account of anime being shown on TV.
All the Asian music stars are eye candy. It was very funny one time to listen to some kids arguing - "There's no such thing as good Chinese music!" "Yes, there is! There's even Chinese rap!" "Yeah, but is it any GOOD?"
Though I'm not such a nuanced listener, I suspect people can still hear the difference between Taiwan and HK based pop composers (independent of language), especially as Taiwan pop has started to integrate native Taiwanese music into the mix. I randomly pick up current Taiwan Mando-pop CDs because it helps my (and the kids) listening skills. I enjoy the music, though I am more a oldies and huangmei opera style pop listener. Sadly, I don't know much about what's coming out in China.
As for sad, it's only sad if you think you are missing out on something you want. Yes? :-) To be practically shallow about it, www.yesasia.com always has a list of the top 10 HK tunes and CDs. Korean rock/rap seems to be all the rage across Asia just now. Japanese rock/rap is popular in the USA teen crowd on account of anime being shown on TV.
All the Asian music stars are eye candy. It was very funny one time to listen to some kids arguing - "There's no such thing as good Chinese music!" "Yes, there is! There's even Chinese rap!" "Yeah, but is it any GOOD?"
6belleyang
>5 mvrdrk: mvrdrk--It's so unusual for an ABC to be so knowledgeable. I've never heard of the terms canto-pop and mando-pop! How did you ever get started on the listening? Relatives?
My parents' students bought them a whole series of Mandarin and Taiwanese oldies on DVD/Karaoke. The acting is very kitsch.
When I was on the Mainland, I would play some jazzy, female deep-registered American artists, but my Chinese friends would titter. They like the female voices high and sweet. Don't know if that has changed much.
My parents' students bought them a whole series of Mandarin and Taiwanese oldies on DVD/Karaoke. The acting is very kitsch.
When I was on the Mainland, I would play some jazzy, female deep-registered American artists, but my Chinese friends would titter. They like the female voices high and sweet. Don't know if that has changed much.
7betterthanchocolate
>1 mvrdrk:, 5: mvrdrk, hi, my bad, I didn't really listen to Jay Chou's song on the first click, before making my little jab at Canto-pop, which his music isn't. (I came back here because I had a conversation with a teenager about his songs today. "He has this special quality" is the statement, when I asked why he liked Chou, that made me come running back to check on.)
So, thanks for the distinction between Canto and Mando-pop. On a subsequent visit and listen to the "Listen to your mama says" video, I decided that I like the music. I think I'd like to hear more. Know where I can buy some of his music online?
>6 belleyang:, belle, I know what you mean about high and sweet. How about breathless, too! That's why I enjoy Anita Mui and her forbear, I believe, in "Tsui Siu Fong" (not sure how she spells in English). I've never really been a connoisseur though.
So, thanks for the distinction between Canto and Mando-pop. On a subsequent visit and listen to the "Listen to your mama says" video, I decided that I like the music. I think I'd like to hear more. Know where I can buy some of his music online?
>6 belleyang:, belle, I know what you mean about high and sweet. How about breathless, too! That's why I enjoy Anita Mui and her forbear, I believe, in "Tsui Siu Fong" (not sure how she spells in English). I've never really been a connoisseur though.
8mvrdrk
>7 betterthanchocolate:
These days Jay Chao's stuff has mostly gone rap. I liked the R&B-like pop stuff from his first albums better. If I recall correctly, Chao has a background in classical cello, you can hear it in a lot of his arrangements and compositions. Last year's exchange student was telling me there's another singer who sounds just like Jay, but darned if I can remember the singers name.
If you like the Chao stuff, you might also like David Tao. Though recently Tao's stuff tends towards the monotonous sappy love song, there's enough good tracks to make most of his albums interesting.
Yeah, I think all the Asian countries perfer their female singers in the soprano range. I only know of one female Chinese singer in the alto range. Sometimes I wonder if that preference comes from things like Chinese opera, where soprano and falsetto singing are common.
When I think mainland female singers, I think of Wong Faye's airy, breathless, soprano. I don't care for it much because it's too hard to sing along to. I suppose I shouldn't complain about sing-along qualities of songs, I keep finding myself trying to sing along with 天涯歌女.
These days Jay Chao's stuff has mostly gone rap. I liked the R&B-like pop stuff from his first albums better. If I recall correctly, Chao has a background in classical cello, you can hear it in a lot of his arrangements and compositions. Last year's exchange student was telling me there's another singer who sounds just like Jay, but darned if I can remember the singers name.
If you like the Chao stuff, you might also like David Tao. Though recently Tao's stuff tends towards the monotonous sappy love song, there's enough good tracks to make most of his albums interesting.
Yeah, I think all the Asian countries perfer their female singers in the soprano range. I only know of one female Chinese singer in the alto range. Sometimes I wonder if that preference comes from things like Chinese opera, where soprano and falsetto singing are common.
When I think mainland female singers, I think of Wong Faye's airy, breathless, soprano. I don't care for it much because it's too hard to sing along to. I suppose I shouldn't complain about sing-along qualities of songs, I keep finding myself trying to sing along with 天涯歌女.
9mvrdrk
>6 belleyang: I'm not sure where I picked up the terms canto-pop and mando-pop from, I think from conversations on the internet.
My grandmother had audio cassette tapes. What I mostly loved was her xiangshen (spelling? I think that's what it's called), which is all talk comedy duos. It was also fascinating. I also love the one where a single guy talks in rhythm with a drum, but I have no idea what it's called.
My Uncle used to keep Chinese opera on the TV all weekend and wander around the house singing along with it. So I have a fondness for Chinese (Beijing?) opera, which I don't understand a word of.
I pick up random Chinese music from time to time and every once in a while hit something we actually like. www.yesasia.com 's top 10 lists are useful for picking up what's 'big' in Asia (they are also a good shopping site for buying CDs).
Our first Jay Chou and David Tao albums were both gifts many years back. I think it's much easier now that there's music on the internet and youtube ...
My grandmother had audio cassette tapes. What I mostly loved was her xiangshen (spelling? I think that's what it's called), which is all talk comedy duos. It was also fascinating. I also love the one where a single guy talks in rhythm with a drum, but I have no idea what it's called.
My Uncle used to keep Chinese opera on the TV all weekend and wander around the house singing along with it. So I have a fondness for Chinese (Beijing?) opera, which I don't understand a word of.
I pick up random Chinese music from time to time and every once in a while hit something we actually like. www.yesasia.com 's top 10 lists are useful for picking up what's 'big' in Asia (they are also a good shopping site for buying CDs).
Our first Jay Chou and David Tao albums were both gifts many years back. I think it's much easier now that there's music on the internet and youtube ...
10betterthanchocolate
Fascinating! Chinese opera, xiangshen, modern pop in the car radio... uncles, nieces, exchange students... interesting ways to connect with Chinese culture and language.
I like the sound of Cantonese opera, and would like to learn more about it here...
I like the sound of Cantonese opera, and would like to learn more about it here...
11mvrdrk
LOL! It's not so remarkable, I think, spread out over decades. The funny thing is I never speak Chinese anymore, there just aren't any Chinese speakers around here that I'm friends with.
12betterthanchocolate
You know what's weird? I'm surrounded by Cantonese speakers every day, every moment, but for my job I refrain from speaking even a single word for most of the day. It is *so* surreal sometimes. Also bizarre, and a bit extreme, is the 3 train station "buffer" zone I've built around my workplace within which I zip it up on the language.
That's why I loved Guangzhou.. Cantonese everywhere, exuberant bartering with shopkeepers (to no benefit for my wallet), chatting up all manner of restaurant staff, and no restriction on the amount of accent-tainted talk I can and do produce.
Do you ever long to talk with peers in the language?
That's why I loved Guangzhou.. Cantonese everywhere, exuberant bartering with shopkeepers (to no benefit for my wallet), chatting up all manner of restaurant staff, and no restriction on the amount of accent-tainted talk I can and do produce.
Do you ever long to talk with peers in the language?
13mvrdrk
Belatedly, yes, I miss having Chinese friends to speak Chinese to. On the other hand, having spent a lot of time with friends who are adult immigrants, I know I can't keep up conversationally and it's also discouraging. So it's a mixed bag for me.
For those who like classical poetry, there is an concept album called 淡淡幽情 by Theresa Tang which is all classical poetry set to 1970s modern music. The album has been re-released in the last 10 years, so it should still be available.
Hmm, youtube is so handy ... here's the first cut from that album: 獨上西樓
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71aP3fz5MsU
(Oh, and for those who are not fans of tacky Chinese 1970s pop, another current mandopop star:
David Tao, 沙灘 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzJdDVFb4vA )
For those who like classical poetry, there is an concept album called 淡淡幽情 by Theresa Tang which is all classical poetry set to 1970s modern music. The album has been re-released in the last 10 years, so it should still be available.
Hmm, youtube is so handy ... here's the first cut from that album: 獨上西樓
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71aP3fz5MsU
(Oh, and for those who are not fans of tacky Chinese 1970s pop, another current mandopop star:
David Tao, 沙灘 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzJdDVFb4vA )
14betterthanchocolate
Thanks for the links, mvrdrk. I love what I've heard of Theresa Tang, tacky 70s and all. She's got such an amazing voice.
I'm thinking about Cantonese opera these days. I'd like to listen to and learn more about it. Any ideas where I could pick up some audio out there?
I'm thinking about Cantonese opera these days. I'd like to listen to and learn more about it. Any ideas where I could pick up some audio out there?
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