New location - new entry?

When a venue moves, is the new location entered as a new venue, or is the address changed on the old venue?

I ask because that appears to have happened with the American Girl Place in Chicago. The store moved, so someone added the new location as a separate venue:

http://www.librarything.com/venue/18790/American-Girl-Place-Chicago-%5BDEFUNCT--...

http://www.librarything.com/venue/37747/American-Girl-Place-Chicago

I don't actually agree with this course of action, but I would like to hear other opinions before I request a venue merger.

Personally, I would just change the address on the first entry.

When venues move, I think it might be best to keep the original location in the system, marked as defunct, with a link to the new venue in the description.

This would help prevent repeated attempts to re-enter the old location into the system by people who don't know about the move. The same logic applies to closed venues; keep them in the system as defunct so they are not re-entered.

>3 SkepticalSurveyor:
I don't think that's the best option. It's still the same store/library/what have you, just not at the same place. I don't disagree that we shouldn't put the old address somewhere -- perhaps we could have a space for "former addresses," à la Other Authors.

Well obviously since I am the member who marked the old venue at question defunct/moved and created the new one for the new location I agree with #3 and would argue against a venue merger. To my mind, a venue can have a "lifespan" with it's own distinct history here on LTL. Sometimes they just plain close and are clearly defunct and in some very rare instances like this they relocate and IMO the old address and it's events have their own history on LT and the new address establishes a new lifespan/history. I always give thought to the venues I create and if the old location had not had past events I probably would have been inclined to just change it's address---the fact that it did have event history and then had closed its doors and moved rendered that venue "defunct" in terms of LTL to my mind.

And I'm the person who created the original entry and entered the events - the events were not unique to the particular location, and will continue to be held in the same manner for years to come, no matter where the store is located. So I don't really think of the first location as having a unique history, as the second location will just be more of the same.

(The American Girl website sure doesn't treat the new location any differently - it's still just American Girl Place Chicago.)

>6 lampbane:

Well then I guess it's just that we feel differently about the notion of unique history for LTL venues. To me, those past events were held at the original venue's very specific address, were unique to that address, and were not held at the Water Tower Place address. I don't dispute that there is still an American Girl Place Chicago and that the types of events they offer are still of the same variety nor that the company considers it more than a move from one enormous location to an even more enormous location.

But when someone favorites a venue, do you think they are favoriting that specific location or that store itself, even when it moves?

Sometimes one, sometimes the other, sometimes both. I loved The Stars Our Destination on Belmont in Chicago, but never went to its new location. (And then it closed.)

>8 christiguc:

The store itself which is why for example when I come across duplicate venues instead of automatically deleting one I always check to see if anyone has favorited one of them and if there are any past events associated with either as when that's the case I askto have the duplicates merged. I do give some pause to my actions on LTL.

Really? This is a roundabout conversation IMO seeing as how exceedingly rarely I think this is ever going to happen---book venues usually just close rather than relocating. I have explained my thinking behind the venue creation. It's just not that big a deal and if folks are feeling that compelled to edit the original to remove it's defunct status and change its address to the new one and then merge it with the second venue so as to keep history then by all means they should have at it.

>9 lquilter:

LOL lquilter! I used to work at the now defunct B&N in Lincoln Park and whenever we couldn't satisfy a shopper's Sci-fi/Fantasy/RPG needs we always rotely pulled out a post-it to write the address on and sent them on their merry way over to Stars Our Destination on Belmont. Good times!